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To: Quix
I agree that President Bush and Condi have been misguided in their approach to Israel by an affliction "doing-somethingism"--- that is, the "Peace Process" ACCOMPLISHES nothing, but it's "doing something" and it's not "unilateral" so the US inexplicably still tries to get Israel to negotiate with Abu Mazen even after the Palestinians rejected him at the booth for even bigger terrorists than him. It's ridiculous.

Given that communism was, as Whittaker Chambers said, a vision of life without God, that idea that it was and is demonically inspired seems very reasonable to me. Still, what is and isn't demonically inspired I think is hard to conclusively say. Certainly Job had no chance of guessing Satan's interest in his life, nor God's interest in teaching Satan a lesson (if that in fact was what His interest was).

If you read Christianity Today,what you generally see is a theologically orthodox magazine that goes as far left politically as the editors think it can get away with. During the 2004 election, it tried to get its readers to see that Kerry's opposition to abortion, for instance. This seems to be following a movement of evangelical leaders the press has designated (and, to be fair, are actually very popular) such as Rick Warren, who, whether it's joining in Bono's One campaign or global warming, seems to me to be pretty far down the Jim Wallis road-- i.e. the belief that socialism (what he calls "social justice" is orthodox and conservatism is heretical.

This isn't new--- remember, it wasn't so long ago that Jimmy Carter slithered into office in large part based upon his Evangelical support.

One thing is clear--- those promoting the "One" and Global Warming campaigns are what I would call one-worlders.

But are Warren and the rest not Christians? I wouldn't go in that direction, although many of them (not Warren himself) seem to be going to that length in their judgement of President Bush. I do know they are on the wrong side and the atheist Orianna Fallaci, as she has spent more time being on the right side, has seemed to me to inexorably grow closer and closer to God.

1,048 posted on 05/26/2006 5:05:55 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: mjolnir; Quix
I meant to say "During the 2004 election, Christianity tried to get its readers to see that Kerry's opposition to abortion didn't mean he shouldn't be president for instance."
1,049 posted on 05/26/2006 5:09:25 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: mjolnir

Warren may be muddle headed on socialism. I hope not.

THERE IS in Christianity the Christ-like standard to give those--particularly in the Body of Christ--who are without--what you can. We have failed to come even close to that.

If we had done even half of what God called us to do, there wouldn't be a welfare problem. And the government wouldn't be wasting generations of people and $trillions on it.

And that would be coupled with the Christian standard that if you don't work, you don't eat.

Christian Compassion is Biblical and Christlike. But it's NOT atheist, secular humanism counterfeiting Christian compassion by a greedy bloated bureaucracy.

I suspect that if Warren was sat down and shown the stark truth about the NWO--he would come around.

The head of World Vision in Taipei was a friend of mine. He was a former UN official. World government to the hilt though would not talk that way too overtly. I stopped in on his family in Hawaii on the way back. He said during that visit that he wasn't even sure--how did it go--something about he wasn't sure the Bible was true or Christ was God. I was flabbergasted. He was on the board of his church! He died this past year or so and I heard he made a viable confession of faith before he did. But it's amazing the people who are clueless and Christian.

I have long liked CHRISTIANITY TODAY and am glad Graham founded it. But I suspect you are right, that it's at least partially been co-opted to serve the puppet masters at least somewhat, if obliquely.

I like CHARISMA magazine.

Thanks for your kind post.


1,059 posted on 05/26/2006 11:52:48 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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