[BlueStateDepression]

If there were no jobs there would be no illegals

If there was no illegal labor force to draw upon, the free market would see wages for jobs increase because as you said work does need to be done.

I resist the idea it is the jobs that americans refuse but rather it is the wages offered for those jobs. Change the wages thru free market scales that are balanced on both sides ( employeee versus employer) and I offer that americans would indeed take those jobs.

At that point, if those jobs are not filled then by all means increase Legal immigration for that economic support.

[Beagle8U]

"I resist the idea it is the jobs that americans refuse but rather it is the wages offered for those jobs. Change the wages thru free market scales that are balanced on both sides ( employeee versus employer) and I offer that americans would indeed take those jobs."

That is a just and reasonable point, but you also need to look at "going rate" and "world market".

There is a point where business's will just close, and things will be imported.

Stoop labor veggie pick/planting is a good example of that. It pays about $10 an hour for anyone willing to do it, few legal Americans will sign up for that 60+ hours a week.

Double it to $20 an hour and some will, but the point is moot because the local farm closes and things just get imported.

Its not as easy as some think.