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Kosovo, Montenegro, and then what next?
The Sofia Echo ^ | May 15th 2006. | Polina Slavcheva

Posted on 05/16/2006 1:29:29 PM PDT by kronos77

Hungarians in Vojvodina, Moldova’s Transdniestria, Caucasus republics, European Muslims, Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina and, why not, Bulgaria’s Turks in the Rhodope Mountains are all examples of potential provocateurs. Even if most of those are in the sphere of speculation, however, when the ghost of separatism in Southern Europe and the Caucasus is awake, it seems that anxiety and caution is “the game of the rule”, to quote Romanian playwright Eugene Ionesco, or helpful to those temporary glitches in logic so terribly reminiscent of the Balkans and the wider Eastern European region, not just of Ionesco’s dramas about discordant families.

--- A quick peek at Caucasus reveals what he means. Тhe predominantly Muslim Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan, Russia’s separatist republics, might ask for independence, and so might the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia, and the Armenian-occupied Azerbaijan region Nagorno-Karabakh, UK-based analyst Oksana Antonenko told the EU Observer in February. All of that makes Russia quite sour about the prospects for independence, with China the only other country supporting Serbia’s territorial claim to Kosovo.

Moldova’s Transdniestria and Bosnia and Herzegovina’s Republika Srpska have also said that they would call for independence if Kosovo gets it.

What the European Union should worry about is Nagorno-Karabakh because a conflict there would spell trouble for the EU’s Caspian Sea gas link and ambitions to move away from Russian gas dependency, the EU Observer said. The EU has promised peacekeepers in Nagorno-Karabakh but refuses to recognise it, just as it wouldn’t recognise Abkhazia or South Ossetia. Since it would, seemingly, recognise Kosovo, discussion on that obvious discrepancy appears to be what the EU should have on its to do list.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bulgaria; christianity; democracy; freedom; georgia; independence; islam; kosovo; moldova; nagornokarabakh; russia; serbia; terror; ukraine
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1 posted on 05/16/2006 1:29:32 PM PDT by kronos77
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2 posted on 05/16/2006 1:30:17 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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To: kronos77

Vojvodina? ;P


3 posted on 05/16/2006 1:33:50 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz

Northern province of Serbia, I live there.
One or two leaders of Hungarian Soros-founded parties claims larger authonomy and asks for same situation as on kosovo.
But Vojvodina (Dukedoom) is 70% Serbian population.


4 posted on 05/16/2006 1:35:36 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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To: kronos77

Bulgaria and Greece.


5 posted on 05/16/2006 1:44:43 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: kronos77

There are much more Hungarians in northern Romania, so why aren't they getting more autonomy?

Also, didn't some Hungarians settle in Serbia after the 1956 Hungarian Revolution?

Are there many mixed Hungarian-Serbs like you?


6 posted on 05/16/2006 1:59:20 PM PDT by joan
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But Vojvodina (Dukedoom) is 70% Serbian population.

Abkhazia was 46% Georgian in 1989. (17% of Abkhaz, 16% of Russian). And look what they have there now…

7 posted on 05/16/2006 2:03:02 PM PDT by Lukasz
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Northern province of Serbia, I live there. One or two leaders of Hungarian Soros-founded parties claims larger authonomy and asks for same situation as on kosovo. But Vojvodina (Dukedoom) is 70% Serbian population.

The idea is to squeeze Serbia so hard with economic sanctions and other means that even Serbian people will be desperate to leave. That way this country can be destroyed through the "democratic" process. A testing ground for the future Brave New World.

8 posted on 05/16/2006 2:16:17 PM PDT by A. Pole (John Donne: "send not to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.")
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To: Lukasz
"Abkhazia was 46% Georgian in 1989."

46% is still not majority - and is a lot less than 70%. Plus you don't have people killing each other there as you had in Georgia.

9 posted on 05/16/2006 2:27:26 PM PDT by joan
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To: kronos77

Thanks to the ethnic cleansing of Germans, Magyars, and Croats after WW2.


10 posted on 05/16/2006 3:07:42 PM PDT by Diocletian (visit www.speakeasy.invisionzone.com - it's new and it's pretty silly)
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To: Diocletian

The cleansing was done by the ethnic Croat-Slovene Tito.


11 posted on 05/16/2006 3:13:19 PM PDT by joan
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To: kronos77
Doggiestan? Moldyova? Huh? Are these guys making up countries?
12 posted on 05/16/2006 3:17:47 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: Lukasz

My point exactly

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13 posted on 05/16/2006 3:46:42 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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To: joan

Well, story with Serbs and Hungarians is interesting
Completly different nations, no similarities at all.
Yet Hungarians showed astounding degree of loyalty during civil war. They regulary were conscripts, they are oficers even generals.

some 150,000 Hungarians came after revolution, one was ex-minister Margit Savovic (Married Serb) and she was in Milosevic goverment.

Intermariages are evryday thing, and some 30% of Hungarians are intermarried. They are devided in 3/3

1/3 votes Hungarian national parties
1/3 Serbian Democrates (soros founded)
1/3 Votes Serb nationalist parties.

Per example, one girl wnet 2 weeks ago in large Hungarian festival, like American Idol, she is from Serbia, hungarian girl, she went to Budapest (Hungary) and won 1/2 finale singing "Djurdjevdan" on Serbian and Hungarian.

Even in som emuncipalities hungarian nationalist and Serbian nationalist parties came in coalition just to owerthroow Soros Democrates.

Strangely, so different nations, Hungarians as catholics, Serbs as Ortodox, functioning well...
Can`t explain that


14 posted on 05/16/2006 3:53:44 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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To: Diocletian

Well, there was no cleansing of any kind after war.

I have Hungarian, Serbian even few German relatives. Germans mass-supported "Prinz Eugen SS division" in WWII (Formed in Vojvodina) but they started migrating, and still migrating well into 60-es.

Hungarians were not in war with Serbs, even Hungary occupied parts of Vojvodina and commited slaughter of Serbs and Jews in Novi Sad, they actualy didn`t wanted to fight their neighbours. Actualy commander of IV yugoslav (partisan) Army, later chief of general staff was Army General Kosta Nagy, Hungarian.
Even in 1956 after defet of Hungarian revolution we accepted 150,000 Hungarians.
They have low birth rate and there is 300,000 Huingarians, 150,000 grouped in north of province, and 150,000 mixed with Serbs in rest of province.


15 posted on 05/16/2006 4:00:23 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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To: Diocletian
And again during all horrors of civil war, Hungarians were soldiars and oficers in Serbian Army, volotneers also. Serbs and Croates were burning eachoters churches, yet noone dameged catholic church in Vojvodina. Interesly enough, most of people here don`t even name churches like that. `Serbian Church` for Ortodox and `Hungarian/German church` for catholic is widley used. here is some photos of Catholic cathedrale in my home town: I think it is St Gothard`s cathedrale.
16 posted on 05/16/2006 4:11:39 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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:) what a big surprise that is....../Sarc.....


17 posted on 05/17/2006 1:02:08 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

One can`t imagine how is that there is none-Slav none-Ortodox people living in Serbia with big bad Serbs!


18 posted on 05/17/2006 2:44:50 AM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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I have sources....as of the past two months, there have been almost daily attacks against Serbs, Roma and others that stand in the way of the independence. The UN is supressing the incidents and not publishing the massive amounts of attacks, rock throwing, stealing cattle, etc.......We are talking, a massive effort not normal. Even worse than the past several years.


19 posted on 05/17/2006 4:29:51 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: kronos77
Strangely, so different nations, Hungarians as catholics, Serbs as Ortodox, functioning well... Can`t explain that

Because there is nothing to explain, how could you explain normality?

20 posted on 05/17/2006 8:19:34 AM PDT by Lukasz
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