I know there have been serious efforts to secure the border since 9/11. The border is still not secure, if it is now possible to just secure the border while at the same time implementing a major plan to deal with illegals (which will BTW involve many of the same bodies to implement and enforce) then why is the border not already secure??
I am not using straw man arguments, how funny of you to say that. I thought we were having a reasonable discussion on issues that we differ on- now you sound like those who throw out things like straw man to disrupt the discussion. I am disappointed, I thought you seemed like someone to have an intelligent discussion with.
I can discuss issues with anyone who is reasonable and truly wants to discuss the issue, regardless of whether I agree with them or not. I am beginning to think you did not intend to discuss this with anyone, you just want to state your beliefs as facts, throw in some hint of knowledge of secret activities and we are all supposed to just blindly follow you. The border issues are complicated and no one is going to have all the answers, but if we can't reasonably discuss the issues, solutions will not be found.
Bad choice of words (my apologizes). I meant that in the sense there seems to be this "straw-man" argument out there (across the political landscape today) that we can only do one or the other (either secure the borders...OR...fix the temporary workers program).
I think we can do both and surely we can pass legislation that requires both at least start the process of happening.
The most reasonable (and well stated) comments I've seen made on this issue (on FR). And I think this falls directly in line with what our President GWB is trying to address.
However there seems to be a minority on the "right" that simply wants "only" border security dealt with without even taking into account the other aspects that go along with our current immigration problems that must be addressed to.
Worse yet, suggesting if you want to look at a total and systematic approach to this 40 year in the making problem...somehow you are against this nation's security. That is hogwash.