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Did These Ploys Sneak into Bush's Speech?(Bait & Switch)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 16, 2006 | JOHN O'SULLIVAN

Posted on 05/16/2006 5:36:42 AM PDT by kellynla

For my next trick, ladies and gentlemen, I will perform a death-defying stunt -- no, not climbing a 300-foot ladder, diving through seven rings of fire and landing perfectly safely in a glass of water. That's easy once you know how to do it.

Instead, I shall advise you on how to interpret President Bush's speech on immigration that you heard last night but that was delivered several hours after this column was written. Very simply: Ask yourselves the following questions:

Did the president use the phrase ''comprehensive immigration reform'' several times? That's revealing because this phrase is an example of smuggling. He hopes that by wrapping a ''temporary guest-worker program'' and the ''not an amnesty'' provision to legalize the 12 million illegals already here -- both of which are unpopular -- inside a tough-sounding popular promise to secure the border with the National Guard, he will persuade most Americans to accept the first two proposals.

Did the president spend a large part of his speech on promising to secure the border by sending the National Guard there? Heigh-ho. This is the umpteenth time that Bush has promised to toughen up border security with a new initiative. He does so whenever there is public disquiet about illegal immigration.

Yet this kind of mini-initiative is fundamentally irrelevant. As this column has repeatedly pointed out, porous borders are the result of uncontrolled immigration as much as its cause. You cannot control the borders, however many patrols you hire or fences you build, if you grant an effective pardon to anyone who gets 100 miles inland.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens
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To: avacado
If you are inclined to travel, you may want to head about 800 miles west of El Paso to California. Like Texas, California is a border state with a diverse economy and a wide range of climate, scenery, and culture. California used to be moderate to conservative politically, as Texas is now. Out of its political system came a long series of prominent Republicans, many of them conservative: William Knowland, Earl Warren, Richard Nixon, S.I. Hayakawa, George Murphy, Ronald Reagan.

All of that is long gone. The state has a RINO governor, a liberal Democrat dominated legislature, and a Congressional delegation that is lopsidedly Democratic. What tipped California politics to the left was the enfranchisement of hundreds of thousands of people through the 1986 amnesty. As these new citizens and their children began to vote, moderate to conservative Republicans like Pete Wilson and Bob Dornan were voted out of office, to be replaced by the likes of Grey Davis and Loretta Sanchez. In the last two Presidential elections, the GOP virtually conceded California to the Democrats, rightly assuming the state was a lost cause.

It is foolish to imagine that Texas will be exempt from a similar political transformation should the illegals be allowed a path to citizenship. Signs of a like transformation are in evidence. Dallas County, a Republican stronghold since the 1960s, is shifting to the Democratic column, as evidenced by the recent election of a Democratic Hispanic lesbian as sheriff. Harris County is on a similar path. Should newly added Democratic voters who were formerly illegal aliens, what happened to California will happen to Texas. Should Texas, along with the other Southwestern states, swing to the Democratic column as the result of the illegals becoming citizens, the GOP will return to the minority status it had for over a half century and political conservatism will be a dead letter.

I don't care if the States, the Feds, or the Minutemen build the fence. It needs to be built, from Brownsville to San Diego.

121 posted on 05/16/2006 7:21:38 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: dirtboy

I gave as I got, but I'll cease not per the moderator's advice. And your hands are not really very clean either.


122 posted on 05/16/2006 7:21:45 AM PDT by zook
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To: Jumping in red OK
On the other hand, if he does more, he's going to piss off the Hispanic vote.

I disagree.

The hispanics more than anything want us to 'get tough' with Fox and Mexico, which I believe he should do.

123 posted on 05/16/2006 7:24:31 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: zook

Did I say he was?

No, Rockefellers are socially liberal as well.

But he has chosen to keep company with them, which is almost as bad.


124 posted on 05/16/2006 7:25:19 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Self Admitted BorderBot: Be Heard: Send a Brick: http://www.send-a-brick.com/brick.htm)
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To: Soul Seeker
Rockefeller's not for me.
He is not for GOP.
He is for the welfare state.
He has had more than one mate.
Rockefeller's not for me.
He is not for GOP.
R-O-C-K-E-Y, Oh you SOB!
Unofficial Goldwater presidential campaign song

125 posted on 05/16/2006 7:25:31 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Soul Seeker

As did Ronald Reagan. What would you do? Exile all of them?


126 posted on 05/16/2006 7:26:20 AM PDT by zook
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To: zook
Yeah, Bush is actually more Conservative is some ways than Reagan was, but they have redefined the word to suit the attacks.

Both Bush and Reagan believed that government could do good things for people and has a role to play.

The realities they face are different however but the comparisons still are valid. Reagan faced a down turning economy due largely to very excessive taxation and a bloated bureaucratic mess, and he dealt with it via compromise with the Democrats who held the power in the House and Senate at one point.

Bush has the House and Senate, yet to get anything done he has to still deal with the Democrats in the Senate and he has to compromise to get 80% of what he wants. Reagan did exactly the same but Bush has actually achieved more..

The problem with the purists, is that they don't believe in compromise, which is really the definition of politics.

I find them to be about as relevant as the liberal left wing who seem to have the same bent. They scream bloody murder and raise hell, but the ship of State continues in the same direction in spite of it.

We will always have extremes in the parties on both sides, and it is a dance to hold them all together. Right now, that dance music has stopped because someone threw a rock through the speakers and the stage curtain has fallen, exposing the mess backstage.

All this will self repair in time. It won't be so pretty, but it is sausage making politics and it never is pretty.

So just do your thing and try to stay focused on the prize. All will play out as it should in the end.

127 posted on 05/16/2006 7:26:37 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: zook
But the other side of the coin is that building a wall, massive arrests and deportatations would do terrible damage to our relations with Mexico and, as I stated before, quite possibly put a Marxist state right on our border.

Your objection to this is fear of Mexico?

Pray tell, please, how is the Prez's position on this 'conservative'?

You're ignoring what I'm saying, the point that 'conservative' means something this Prez is *not* doing. Again, if you're not going to address my points, then perhaps I should just let you go back to insulting the parentage of others?

128 posted on 05/16/2006 7:27:12 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: avacado

You can't speak for Texas or Texans. In fact, I think you're in the distinct minority.


129 posted on 05/16/2006 7:28:40 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Omnibus Gloria Fugit)
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To: zook

I just finished writing a reply to the wall Street Journal.

I'll shorten the substance since it addresses you as well.

It is a sign of desperation to invoke Reagan as a means of silencing, distracting, or minimizing conservatives' feelings on this issue and how it has been handled.

I take the fact you've done so as a sign you are desperate and fearful a split is happening right before your eyes that you cannot control.


130 posted on 05/16/2006 7:29:00 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Self Admitted BorderBot: Be Heard: Send a Brick: http://www.send-a-brick.com/brick.htm)
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To: zook
His harshest critics, those "conservatives" who continually bash him on this issue, are recklessly damaging the neoconservative movement.
131 posted on 05/16/2006 7:29:08 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: lemura
Illegal immigration should be the defining issue of the 2006 House elections.

I am.

This fall, I will vote for the candidate that is for actually solving this issue. Otherwise, I will write in my father-in-law.

132 posted on 05/16/2006 7:29:11 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: zook
Good morning.
"Build that and watch Mexico become the next Venezuela."

You sound like you think Mexico isn't stumbling in that direction already.

Like us, they have an election coming up and there are signs the Socialists may win.

In the meantime we are being flooded with the excess Mexican population.

Michael Frazier
133 posted on 05/16/2006 7:29:38 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Dominic Harr

I hope you're right. I'm worried US voters who are friends and relatives of illegals or just sympathetic to them won't favor tougher measures, like deportation or employer penalties for hiring illegals. It's the only reason I can see why the president hasn't been tougher on this issue. He's worried about losing a block of voters. Like I said, though, I hope I'm wrong, and this is purely a political calculation on my part--nothing to do with what actually IS RIGHT TO DO ON THIS ISSUE. That much is certain.


134 posted on 05/16/2006 7:30:00 AM PDT by Jumping in red OK
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To: ichabod1; avacado
You can't speak for Texas or Texans. In fact, I think you're in the distinct minority.

I'm in Austin. With Family ties in Laredo and down in the vally, by Harlingen.

He does *not* speak for Texans. And his opinion *is* in the minority.

135 posted on 05/16/2006 7:30:42 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: Jumping in red OK
I hope you're right. I'm worried US voters who are friends and relatives of illegals or just sympathetic to them won't favor tougher measures, like deportation or employer penalties for hiring illegals. It's the only reason I can see why the president hasn't been tougher on this issue.

As I understand it, the Prez and other politicans are for this for 2 reasons:

  1. The assumption that legalizing millions of voters will cause 60%+ of them to vote for you.

  2. This 'guest worker' program, like the H1-b program that has been such a failure in the IT world because of fraud, etc. Business money is behind easy access to cheaper labor.

This is our chance to save the R party from itself, I think.

If left to their own devices, the Ds will take Congress. If we agree that Congress needs a wholesale change, but insist on replacing republicans with better republicans, we can save the day.

136 posted on 05/16/2006 7:34:16 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: AmericanMade1776
Thank you for injecting some sanity into the mix. It seems that most of the folks either listened for key words near and dear to them, or listened to the ravings of others who are critiquing the plan offered, and end up missing what was said. The Prez offered to put out the effort/time/manpower to help secure the borders, acknowledged some of the financial problems and criminal activities caused by many illegals, asserted that businesses that hire illegals need to be punished, etc., and pretty much covered most of the major gripes. Yet, we still get the armchair quarterbacks who think that the first major step offered is not enough. They claim to trust the Prez in the WOT, yet they all think they could do a better job with the borders and illegal immigration, and it would seem that some of them think they could do it without spending money.

Some days, it feels like FR has been infiltrated by a bunch of Dims and MSM pukes hell-bent on performing the coup-de-grace on the country.

137 posted on 05/16/2006 7:41:06 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Dominic Harr

That may be true, regardless of security risks--but they won't be voting in this election. Nothing moves that fast in government.


138 posted on 05/16/2006 7:43:45 AM PDT by Jumping in red OK
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To: Jumping in red OK
That may be true, regardless of security risks--but they won't be voting in this election.

The 'guest worker' program is for this election -- the $$$ from the business lobbyists.

This plan has a short-term and long-term payoff for politicians. Just not for current voters.

139 posted on 05/16/2006 7:45:36 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: zook

Oh, we're going to have a marxist state on our southern border, Mr. Collitch Perfesser, you can count on that. That train has already left the station.


140 posted on 05/16/2006 7:46:23 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Omnibus Gloria Fugit)
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