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(((((SIGH!!!))) No surprises here. It's all about the Hispanic vote and nothing more. It's all the Republicans and Democrats care about.
1 posted on 05/15/2006 5:48:19 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

If any legislation containing a 'guest worker program' or a 'temporary worker program' or 'a path to citizenship' passes, the Republicans will soon lose the majority in both Houses, and might lose the White House in 2008.

It's that simple.


130 posted on 05/15/2006 6:12:54 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: areafiftyone

First one kicked in the ass back across the boarder should be Bush!

No money for Republicans. No vote for Republicans. No campaigning for Republicans. Bring on the Third Party!
Yes I know that means Hillary wins, but perhaps we can send a message to these Senate A-holes!


143 posted on 05/15/2006 6:16:25 AM PDT by Doc Savage (Bueller?....Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...)
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To: areafiftyone
"We must reject amnesty, but recognize that it is not realistic to round up millions of people and send them home give it anyway under the term 'path to citizenship', screw all the people who obeyed the law.,"

Hispandering, prime time tonight.

150 posted on 05/15/2006 6:17:33 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: areafiftyone
...jobs Americans won't do.
I'm getting really sick of this entire line of BS being shoveled!

Employers pay illegal aliens pennies on the dollar because they're illegal and it maximizes company profits. Labor costs are usualy the biggest expense for most companies so saving those pennies makes the company money.
Americans recognize that the employers should pay a dollar and they won't allow the employers to bulldoze them under and they don't take the jobs. How that is construed to be that it's now "a job Americans won't do" is beyond me.
So the truth, in essence, is that Americans aren't going to do jobs that don't pay a dollar and employers will keep on dishing out those pennies to illegal aliens.

Will you take mere pennies to be the POTUS, Mr. President, or do you want your whole dollar like your fellow Americans?

154 posted on 05/15/2006 6:17:43 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: areafiftyone

Untrue, as a poster so eloquently pointed out last week if they can stop 6+million over the last five years they can most certainly, over time, get rid of the 20 million that are already here.

It's a matter of will and Bush isn't willing to do it. Saying it's not possible is just a lie.


156 posted on 05/15/2006 6:18:15 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: areafiftyone

Make it a felony and a $100,000 fine (per illegal) to employ an illegal alien, enforce the law, and the illegals will leave en mass.


162 posted on 05/15/2006 6:20:00 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: areafiftyone
(((((SIGH!!!))) No surprises here. It's all about the Hispanic vote and nothing more. It's all the Republicans and Democrats care about.

Okay, I challenge you to put forth a rational plan to detain, process and deport millions of illegal aliens, to conform to the requirements of the constitution, to handle the swarm of legal challenges that will be entered into the system and to not break the bank while you are doing it. YOU CAN'T! Any attempt you make at it I can probably rip to shreds in a matter of minutes.

You are so busy ripping Bush for telling the truth because you haven't spent a minute thinking about the massive undertaking it would be and the overwhelming expense of trying to deport that many illegals.

Here, I'll make the challenge easier for you. Just tell me where you are going to get the court capacity to process that 11 million. Every one of them can require their day in court before before being deported. How do you propose handling just that one small facet? Haven't stopped to think about that have you?

Come up with a rational answer for that one, then you can tackle detention facilities, legal representation, ACLU law suits, transportation, manpower, and the long list of real world issues that would need to be addressed.

I excitedly wait your comprehensive solution. I would just once like to see one from the complainers.

164 posted on 05/15/2006 6:20:09 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: areafiftyone
In his live, nationally televised address tonight, President Bush will tell Americans that it's impossible to deport the estimated 11 million illegal aliens living here.
No, it isn't. Where there is desire nothing is impossible.
There simply is no desire to do so in DC.
176 posted on 05/15/2006 6:21:46 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: areafiftyone

The journey of 11 million miles begins with a single step.


178 posted on 05/15/2006 6:22:10 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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A half a million illegals and their supporters in one demonstration on the streets of Los Angeles. A half a million. From just Los Angeles.
That's roughly as big as any public protest or civil rights march in the history of the United States. And this was just people from Los Angeles.
That's how bad it's gotten. How frayed America has become and how the equilibrium of social and cultural identity has tipped irrevocably in some areas. Some areas aren't really in the United States anymore, and southern California is one of them.
The protest proved that.
Ten thousand in Milwaukee. Twenty thousand in Phoenix. Fifty thousand in Denver. Other tens of thousands all across the country.
Doing two things, primarily: Waving Mexican flags and claiming to have built America and to be the reason for its success.
It was an angry, entitlement reaction all across the country. They called this their land and said they wanted their rights and their freedom and their money and their respect.
A bunch of illegals.
An invading army of people who have flooded our borders and insinuated themselves into our society and economy. An army of people who drain America's prosperity through their disproportionate use of government services and their wholesale export of American currency.
They are the bird flu of demographic change.
They are the end of American sovereignty as we know it. Since the Manchus breached the Great Wall and the Vandals sacked Rome there has not been such an example of a mighty people being pillaged by a weaker neighbor.
The Reconquista is almost complete.
And with the house ablaze, the Senate will debate the installation of smoke detectors
After years of ignoring the gathering storm, the Washington politicians have decided to exploit our national cancer in an effort to seduce our votes and contributions. It is not likely they will do anything substantive or useful, but they will fan the flames of division and chaos in order to exploit their bases.
While ignoring the fact that both parties have been treasonously impotent on this issue.
The Republicans let illegal immigration roll forward unrestrained because it helped their friends who have tainted capitalism with their immoral greed. The Democrats let illegal immigration roll forward unrestrained because they believed they could claim ownership to the Latino vote as they have the black vote.
And the American mainstream was ignored by both parties. Duped by both parties. The interests of America were dismissed in order to serve the interests of the parties.
And now a half a million clog the streets of Los Angeles.
People who largely had no right to be here. People who any other nation on earth would unflinchingly deport.
People whose words betray a strong antipathy for the United States People who said over and over that the United States would be nothing without them. People who have not gratitude for this nation, but resentment.
Our guests have become our conquerors.
And the government's response won't be about the nation, it will be about the midterm elections.
Those half a million people sent a message.
That we will still celebrate the Fourth of July, but that we'll do it on the Cinco de Mayo.
The lion's share of Americans want secure borders, enforced immigration laws and America for Americans.
And the Senate is going to tell the lion's share of Americans to screw off. Just like the president has done.
In our Republic - in our representative democracy - the government is about to ignore those who can vote in favor of those who cannot. The value of citizenship has evaporated as we ignore those who have it and acquiesce to those who don't.
That's just the way it is. And the politicians lack the spine or the integrity to change it.
The Mexican national anthem declares that "heaven gave you a soldier in each son." And so it is that an army of Mexican sons and daughters has come to occupy America. And they don't intend to leave.
And we lack the stones to make them.
And thereon turns the fate of our nation.

Bob Lonsberry © 2006http://http://www.lonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=1871


180 posted on 05/15/2006 6:22:55 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: areafiftyone
You know what really disgusts me about this mindset? It's completely anti-American. We can sow the seeds of democracy in the Middle East and turn dictatorships into some semblance of a free society, but we can't get rid of 11 million illegal aliens? We can't stop our borders from leaking like a sieve?

The US can put a man on the moon for crying out loud...but we can't seem to figure out how to get rid of a bunch of law-breakers?

183 posted on 05/15/2006 6:23:18 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: areafiftyone

ping


187 posted on 05/15/2006 6:24:03 AM PDT by babygene
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It isn't votes, it's cheap illegal labor. They want the benefits of their crime at any cost and want to BS us to keep it. They don't give a hoot in hades about the votes or yours and mine would matter to them. It's the money, bud!


205 posted on 05/15/2006 6:26:16 AM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: areafiftyone
"...creating a rational system for workers to come into our country and to do jobs Americans won't do."

If this (and the resulting amnesty plan) rhetoric is the substance of Bush's solution, the only GOP candidate to get my vote will be Blackwell for Governor.

210 posted on 05/15/2006 6:26:54 AM PDT by Rudder
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BUSH: WE CAN'T BOOT 11M ILLEGALS

Sure we can. They managed to come in, it's possible for them to go out.

218 posted on 05/15/2006 6:28:33 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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http://tks.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmE1YjA5OGViMGYzZDRlMWE0MmU2Yjk2ZjFhNzAzMDQ=


223 posted on 05/15/2006 6:28:55 AM PDT by pookie18 ([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: areafiftyone

We can't boot 11 million illegals, but we can fine them, we can make them pay back taxes, we can make them learn English and we can make them American citizens. Does this make any sense? And Bush is being dishonest in saying the choice is between "rounding up" 11 million illegals or giving them citizenship. It's not looking good for Bush or the go along to get along GOP Congress.


228 posted on 05/15/2006 6:29:28 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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To: areafiftyone

I don't care if illegals sneak into the country to work cheap if:
There are SOLID procedures in place to prevent them from voting.
They cannot receive public assistance of any kind (except emergency medical).
Their children born in this country are not automatically US citizens.
They go home at least once or twice a year.


233 posted on 05/15/2006 6:30:10 AM PDT by BadAndy ("Loud mouth internet Rambo")
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To: areafiftyone
I feel it in the air.
235 posted on 05/15/2006 6:30:26 AM PDT by heights
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To: areafiftyone

I am agaist this illegal alien onslaught into our country. But lets set that aside for a moment and speak only of logistics...

If there are 11 million illegal aliens in this country how specifically/logistically can they be removed?

How many soldiers did it take to move in to take Iraq? Less that 500,000? ( I could be wrong) Plus all of their equipment, food, shelter etc.

Now People just use the words "round em up" Okay and then what? Put them in camps? And feed house and clothes them before you figure out where and how they should go?

Now come up with a program to assimilate those that are here, quit wasting time talking about deportation. You know why? Because Mexico can just easily stop a bus at the border and refuse it entry or refuse a plane landing rights of returning illegals. You are not going to just get on horses and herd them back over the border. It is time for reality.

Look there is a problem, Bitching is not going to solve it. And like it or not, they are here to stay. Now throw the people out of office that caused the problem, but the US is not going to drag women and children out of homes "that doesnt make for good press" So we need to create a program to assimilate them as quickly as possible but first those that followed the rules and have been waiting for years to be citizens need to be fast tracked ( as safely as possible) so that we do not legalize those that broke the rules before those that followed them.


249 posted on 05/15/2006 6:33:30 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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