[AliVeritas]

Just came across this.
Troops On The Border?http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/

[digger48]

They started out just doing the jobs that Germans wouldn't do

[LSUfan]

Related article here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1624701/posts

[CROSSHIGHWAYMAN]

Civil war in Europe is brewing.........and America will bail it out again.

[staytrue]

In Germany, guest workers -- mostly poorly educated young men who were issued special visas allowing them entry for one or two years to take unskilled jobs -- helped the nation to become the third-richest in the world.

This is right. Guest workers are a boon initially then a bane.

For a citizen, you are born, then for 18 years, you are a huge leach on the economy, then you are productive until you retire, then you are again a huge leech on the economy.

Guest workers are great because the first 18 years are paid for by some other country. But you need to get rid of them before they have their own kids or retire.

Bush's first guest worker proposal recognized this. But the idiot conservative right did not recognize this.

[little jeremiah]

Just glanced at this - looks good. Why the guest worker crap is crap.

[liberallarry]

Nobody grasped that the country -- and the continent, because neighboring nations soon undertook similar experiments -- was on the brink of a transformation whose effects are still reverberating across Europe.

This is wrong.

Lots of people grasped the consequences of immigration...but they wanted quick money, long-term consequences be damned. Let's be clear that these low-end jobs were taken by foreigners...because Germans wouldn't take them at the wages offered, and didn't need to...and because the people who did the hiring often had to compete against companies which used cheap foreign labor.

We had a bracero program for many years, non-european immigrants had a harder time here than europeans - especially in the 19th century, and our early immigrants were given very little help - even when compared to today's muslim immigrants to europe.

So why have we done so much better than Europeans? Partly because we are a nation of immigrants - almost anyone could become a citizen with its legal rights and be welcomed to a much greater extent than in europe. But mostly it was the opportunity this country offered. Work hard, get an education, succeed.

Some of that is still in place and just as attractive as ever. But the ever-increasing price of land, and of other basic resources, is having an effect.

[nj26]

Reminder to the pro-amnesty crowd:

There's nothing in the McCain/Kennedy bill to stop MUSLIM illegals from getting amnesty.

Amnesty undermines homeland security!

[hermgem]

Not ever, never, was there a wild open influx across borders by guest workers.
Guests are registered immigrants.
Registration extends beyong name date etc. into your address of where you live.
When moving one re-registers with at the new town and address.
These days there are controls on construction sites for illegals to not make hardships for locals even harder in a country that just announced progress after unemployment dropped by 1/4%, namely from 11.5 to 11.25%.