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>>The President had these same views since before he was elected President, and this didn't become an issue until a month or two ago, but of course everyone here claims he's been been posting on this issue 24/7 since November 2000.

We finally express these views, and within weeks the President is taking the very action people here have been requesting. <<

Come on, we need to be fair - you are not seriously suggesting that conservatives only began expressing concern about immigration "a month or two ago?" And then did you really say that within weeks the President did "the very action we have been requested?"

Be serious. Do you remember the amnesty effort? Do you remember years of complaints? Conservatives have to be sensible about immigration - we can't pretend this just suddenly appeared and the President magically solved it any more than than we can suggest violence and revolt. We consevrvatives are supposed to be the sensible people who don't blow with the wind or lose our heads - we are the ones the country depends on be stable, dependable and honest.

stable, dependable and honest

OK. Scroll back through these threads and tell me that all of the hysteria and name calling strikes you as "stable."

Then you can go through them again to look at all of the people who are threatening to sit out the election or go third-party, and tell me how that equates to "dependable."

Finally, look at all of the posts who accuse the President as caring more about Mexico than the United States, aiding and abbeting illegals, and going for blanket amnesty, and tell me how that becomes "honest."

Come on, we need to be fair - you are not seriously suggesting that conservatives only began expressing concern about immigration "a month or two ago?" And then did you really say that within weeks the President did "the very action we have been requested?"

So you're going to sit there and expect me to believe that ever since Bush was elected, this place has been All Immigration All The Time the way it's been since the MSM brought up this topic a month or two ago?

So when Florida happened, 9-11, Afghanistan, Iraq, the mid-term elections, 2004...all through those years, this place had daily threads about Bush immigration stance? I don't mean the occassional grumble, I'm asking if you really want me to believe that this topic has been the subject of numbers of threads on a daily basis since the 2000 election?

Because I don't. Because it hasn't been.

This subject popped up now and then, but we sure didn't have to push it off to the side to talk Schiavvo 24/7, ebcause it was never there to push aside. I don't know which FR YOU go to, but until the last few weeks, the one I go to hasn't had me thinking "Sheesh, not ANOTHER immigration thread!"

To a handful of people it's their #1 issue...until now. Reading this place since Dubai you'd think the url changed to some Immigration Only site.

Am I seriously suggesting that conservatives only began expressing concern about immigration a month or two ago? Not all, but I'd say 90% of those who are bitching and moaning about it here sure have come late to the party, and they're the ones who seem to have most attitude about it, aka "posing". And it's ruining this place.

And what's their reaction when Bush does what you cannot deny is the #1 request made of him regarding this issue--guarding the border? "Whhaaaaaaaaaa! He isn't making all those bad aliens go away!" Because of course there was never a single illegal in this country until W got elected (by whom? where were all you "No one with his position will get MY vote!" in 2000 and 2004? Because he's been consistent with his position on this), and God knows it's ONLY his fault, no one else's.

So when you ask "Do you remember the amnesty effort? Do you remember years of complaints?" I have to say that's pretty weak tea--"years of complaints" from who, one or two FReepers who'd occassionally post? Because if you haven't noticed that this issue only popped up as THE issue in the last couple of months, I have to wonder where you've been, 'cause it hasn't been around here.