Sources: Bush Plans National Guard on Border..

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[lemura]

employers are required by law to verify the SS#. However, they need go no further. All they are required to do is match the SS# to the name. They are not required to verify if the name and SS# are being used by more than one person.

Bingo. That loophole was created so that Tyson and everybody else could go through the motions of the I-9 process and hire millions of illegals without fear of economic/criminal reprisal. Imagine only having to verify that a SS exists - but not whether it is valid or actually belongs to a little old lady from Pasadena.

This is the type of thing that Bush could have resolved long ago by the simplest of directives either through the Depts of Labor, Agriculture (disease, etc), DHS/ICE, IRS/SS Admin, etc - but he didn't want to.

He didn't want to because illegals are a boon to our nominal accounts (eg unemployment, inflation, etc). That's why he has willfully aided & abetted allowing illegals to thrive in our communities. But he's wrong about the benefits they bring because it back loads their true cost onto the balance sheet ie our government expenditures to support illegals.

And he's especially wrong about their impact on communities. The 'Day Without Illegals' did us all a favor by exposing these folks for what they are - and Bush now needs to do reverse course or face Articles from a Dem House in 2007.

[Borax Queen]

Yes. But WHY didn't NAFTA work? Logic says it should have worked. Why are we still getting so many border-jumpers?

Greed and profit for a few corporations trumped ideals and logic? No checks and balances? Corruption in Mexico? I don't know the answer but in the last ten years, I've heard entire Mexican villages and towns have been emptied of able-bodied men. I've personally seen them streaming over the southern Arizona mountains since about the late 90s.

And now that they've had about ten years to pass along how good it is up here and how we welcome them with everything from bilingual education to free health care, and that they can even protest for "rights," I don't see anything reversing.

[nicmarlo]

I've read some documents lately (I'll have to try and find them), coming out of South American and Mexican leadership. The Mexican leadership is saying that NAFTA has only increased jobs but not wages. Both areas are saying that NAFTA has caused increased migration from South America and Mexico to the U.S. I didn't read the entire documents, but my impression was it seemed as though these results were unexpected in that NAFTA did not pan out to increase the living standards of their countries.

[lemura]

free trade with china killed NAFTA. that left us with mexico being the source of low cost SERVICE labor for america, but to perform a service job, the physical presence of the worker is required.

Bingo #2. I was in China with a mfg client in '93 - and we were way past the existing economic zone surrounding Hong Kong. It was obvious to all what was happening - there was construction everywhere for as far as the eye could see.

Now imagine the same types of young people (long lost relatives from the Canton region) who comprise 33%+ of the Univ of Calif student body working in low paying mfg jobs in mainland China. Jeez, I still remember them all neatly lined up by their work stations. Pity, Mexicans didn't have a chance.

[Miss Marple]

Thanks for your response, and again, WHY didn't NAFTA work? My surmise is that something in the Mexican economic/social/political system screwed it up. But I don't know what it was.

[91B]

Bumps usually indicate agreement.

[woofie]

Can we borrow someone elses National Guard ...mabe Maine's or Minnesota's?

[woofie]

I love the folks who are now not satisfied with the idea of putting the military on the border....Ya cant please nobody around here

[nicmarlo]

I'll try to find that document, but I have no memory what it was called or what search term I was using at the time. (And I didn't read the entire document, so I don't know if they came to any conclusion or not...sorry about that.)

I'll will try though over the next few days if I can locate it again.

[carenot]

1) Slavery is not permitted in the US. Captured illegals cannot be forced to build a fence as part of any sentencing -- regardless of the zero probability of this sort of thing surviving a "cruel and unusual punishment" challenge.

Amendment XIII. fn5 [ Annotations ] Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

[Rebelbase]

I wasn't here for X42 so I can speak of those years, but I do remember the turmoil the first Minutemen threads caused. That wasn't until 2004 and FR management just seems to have recently jumped on the illegal alien issue bandwagon in the past year.

Many people have been banned over the issue and countless threads pulled because in the early minutemen days the their cause was not respected by FR management, in fact they were considered no better than Stormfront.

[nicmarlo]

This is NOT the article to which I earlier referred (and it's dated 1999, btw), but there is quite a bit in there regarding Mexico. I believe NAFTA took effect around 1995, so although the article is dated, it shows the effects of NAFTA shortly after its inception:

Slouching towards the Free Trade Area of the Americas

In Mexico, a poll by the newspaper Reforma concluded that 67 percent of Mexicans believe their country has had little or no success with NAFTA. Despite a resumption of growth of gross domestic product, Mexican wages remain far below their pre-NAFTA level. The percentage of the population in extreme poverty increased from 32 percent to 51 percent from 1994 to 1997.

[proudCArepublican]

I agree with your points

[cardinal4]

Many people have been banned over the issue and countless threads pulled because in the early minutemen days the their cause was not respected by FR management, in fact they were considered no better than Stormfront.

Stormfront?

[Borax Queen]

Thanks - that is really sad. I was doing some digging around too about the effects of NAFTA... and it looks like between 1.5 and 1.7 farmers lost their jobs as a result of cheap corn flooding the Mexican market.

[Arizona Carolyn]

Our problem, here in Arizona, is our democratic governor. We have the GOP in control of the rest, but she keeps vetoing everything they send to and then will turn around and publically state the President isn't doing his job in sending the National Guard to the border -- when she knows full well she can do it and our Senate has sent several bills to her to do it, she's just talking out to the uninformed trying to get re-elected.

We did pass prop 200 and the 9th ruled it is legal, she keeps refusing to implement it and now the Mexican League is filing a lawsuit to try and get the 9th to agree with them that it's illegal to expect people to show ID when they show up to vote -- so, yes, the courts are very important and I pray at least one more SC Judge steps down in the next two years (I say two because it could take a year to get another conservative past Specter and friends.)...

[Rebelbase]

Google is your friend.

[nicmarlo]

And this might be of interest (I haven't read it before, or been to this website). It must have been written during the past year:

NAFTA at Ten - Lessons from Nafta

The corporate and political advocates of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) continue to defend this trade deal and even to claim that its effects on the workers and consumers of all three countries--Canada, the United States, and Mexico--have been enormously beneficial.

In fact, the impact of NAFTA on most of the people in all three countries has been devastating. The agreement has destroyed more jobs than it has created, depressed wages, worsened poverty and inequality, eroded social programs, undermined democracy, enfeebled governments, and greatly increased the rights and power of corporations, investors, and property holders.

[appeal2]

Please get a life. The point is its alot easier to scale a fence than to get past a soldier with an M16 in his hands. Tough concept I understand.

[nicmarlo]

it looks like between 1.5 and 1.7 farmers lost their jobs as a result of cheap corn flooding the Mexican market.

I'd heard about that but didn't know the figures.