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To: ancient_geezer
As far as I can see, past performance and current performance, as well as the concerns raised by the folks in the threads all attesting to the absolute rejection of retail sales taxes with income taxes is plenty of proof of my position.

There is NO federal past performance to support your assertion, and the state past performance absolutely refutes it.

Cult obsessions are no substitute for historical facts.

146 posted on 05/13/2006 6:18:52 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Cult obsessions are no substitute for historical facts.

Indeed, the historical fact is federal income taxes and state income taxes have preceeded retail sales taxes even at the state level.

The fact is that, there is no protection against the institution of retail sales taxes with income taxes except thost that are imposed by the electorate.

The fact is that the electorate does not support retail sales taxes with income taxes at the federal level, nor have they ever.

The demonstrable fact is that we do not have a federal retail sales tax along with federal income tax inspite of what has occured at state level.

The fact of the current electorate attitude on the behalf of both liberals and conservatives against the imposition of federal retail sales taxes in conjunction with a federal income tax system is undeniable and self evident upon inspection of the demonstrated statements of both liberal and conservative politicians as well as the electorate as regards federal retail sales taxes.

 

The only cult obsession here is that associated with the idea that the federal income/payroll tax system not be done away with and a federal retail sales tax be implemented in its place. For that obsession exists inspite of all evidence to the contrary that makes it clear that both systems in place together is political suicide for any who should suggest such.

I find it indeed interesting that there is such a clear support for maintaining the progressive income tax system in place by folks pretending to the applation of conservative in view of the real nature of that progressive income tax system as a tax on the rich; The 2nd plank of the Manifesto of the Communist Party, published in 1848. We should never forget nor overlook the philosophical underpinnings of that choice:

"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state ... . Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property ... . These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in he hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. "

 

It would seem that the socialists and progressives have done their works well.

a free people that pays slave taxes to its government is willingly training itself for bondage.
---Alan Keyes 1999


148 posted on 05/13/2006 6:37:30 PM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: Mojave

You just proved the point for ancient_geezer and don't realize it.


170 posted on 05/13/2006 7:28:20 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Mojave
Cult obsessions are no substitute for historical facts.

And when you post some we'll consider them. Until then, consider yourself a wienie. Wienies don't have any facts, they just have wienies. Please post your facts and indulge us. We are all ears.

If, as usual, you need some help, try the income tax code, the fair tax website, the Federalist Papers, the Bible, the scores of fair tax threads. Out of all of those you should be able to justify your position. Or am I just a liar.

Of course, since your argument is going to be that we are all liars, I will help you: THERE IS ALWAYS ONE THING THAT YOU AND THE REST OF THE SQL'S CAN DO..., EITHER TELL US THAT YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE CURRENT TAX CODE OR GIVE US ALTERNATIVE.

Of course the fair taxers have an alternative. You and your ants and squirrels do not.

Well, what is it? Do we keep and worship the tax code or change it?

185 posted on 05/13/2006 8:37:54 PM PDT by groanup (Shred For Ian)
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