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U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols (telling the Mexican government)
Daily Bulletin ^ | 5/9/2006 | Sara A Carter

Posted on 05/09/2006 6:21:25 AM PDT by IrishMike

While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are. According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.

"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.

"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."

Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.

"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.

"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."

(Excerpt) Read more at dailybulletin.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; falsestory; getaclue; gwot; illegalimmigration; illegals; incorrectstory; loudobbs; mexicans; mexico; minutemanproject; minutemen; moonbatbarking; nationalsecurity; notaccurate; nutcases; saraacarter; saracarter; wot
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To: Lazamataz
George Bush is an enemy of our sovereignty.

Yes, it would appear so.

781 posted on 05/09/2006 12:58:27 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

You might be onto something; but, how does that relate to what is being reported here? Informing a government about a detainee, has nothing to do with advising them in advance of tactical patrol deployments.


782 posted on 05/09/2006 12:58:55 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: La Enchiladita; Borax Queen
Savage will probably be on it, but I hope he ups his meds or my radio will explode... :(

So true!


783 posted on 05/09/2006 12:59:46 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: IrishMike
"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels. "They just basically endangered the lives of American people."

I thought I'd seen it all during the Clinton years, but this story, if true, is simply breathtaking in its audacity. It's a big F-U aimed right at the GOP base.

784 posted on 05/09/2006 1:00:58 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: Lazamataz

So who conspired to violate our laws? Sounds like shielding from detection to me! Or at least encourages and induces! Who goes to jail? Do we seize Border Patrol assets used to monitor and report the Minutemen, such as aircraft? What if a minuteman is injured or killed as a result of such reporting? 20 years imprisonment to death?
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§ 1324. Bringing in and harboring certain aliens


Release date: 2006-04-21

(a) Criminal penalties
(1)
(A) Any person who—
(i) knowing that a person is an alien, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien;
(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law;
(iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;
(iv) encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law; or
(v)
(I) engages in any conspiracy to commit any of the preceding acts, or
(II) aids or abets the commission of any of the preceding acts,
shall be punished as provided in subparagraph (B).
(B) A person who violates subparagraph (A) shall, for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs—
(i) in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i) or (v)(I) or in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(ii), (iii), or (iv) in which the offense was done for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both;
(ii) in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(ii), (iii), (iv), or (v)(II), be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both;
(iii) in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i), (ii), (iii), (iv), or (v) during and in relation to which the person causes serious bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 of title 18) to, or places in jeopardy the life of, any person, be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and
(iv) in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i), (ii), (iii), (iv), or (v) resulting in the death of any person, be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined under title 18, or both.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001324----000-.html


785 posted on 05/09/2006 1:08:52 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: JeffAtlanta
The country can survive a little socialism - the county cannot survive Balkanization.

Quote of the Day!! you nailed it. If this is true, Bush will have lost the House in 06. This is nuts.

786 posted on 05/09/2006 1:10:25 PM PDT by liberty2004
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To: ARCADIA
You might be onto something; but, how does that relate to what is being reported here? Informing a government about a detainee, has nothing to do with advising them in advance of tactical patrol deployments.

Well, if it involved the USG advising the Mexican government in advance of Minuteman "tactical patrol deployments," you might be onto something, but it doesn't relate to that at all.

Essentially, what happens is that, if the Minutemen are involved in making an arrest, that fact will be communicated to Mexican consular officials along with all of the other information in the arrest report (including the location of the arrest and all parties involved in same).

787 posted on 05/09/2006 1:10:48 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: IrishMike

The U.S. central government is clearly an enemy of U.S. citizens.


788 posted on 05/09/2006 1:11:23 PM PDT by Lester Moore (The headwaters of the islamic river of death and hate originate in Saudi Arabia)
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To: Kimberly GG
Aren't there enough Republican leaders who are FOR an effective method of securing the border and AGAINST 'earned' amnesty? Have they all crossed to the other side on this? I keep asking and get no answers. Do you know?

That is a good question. To be honest, I believe that GOP Senators fall in 3 camps; (1) pro-illegal because business lobbyist want it, (2) anti-illegal because of the extreme drain illegals put on the nation and (3) don't really care and are ready and willing to pander to both sides while doing nothing.

Unfortunately, the majority of GOP senators (especially those on their 2nd or 3rd term) fall into category #3. There is also a sizable but smaller portion of GOP senators that fall into category #1 such as Brownback.

Sadly, probably only about 10 or 15 GOP Senators are TRULY committed to battling illegal immigration and the Balkanization of America. When the president and the established party leadership solidly falls into group #1 then there isn't much they can do.

789 posted on 05/09/2006 1:13:05 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Lazamataz

Imagine the reaction here had Clinton done this.


790 posted on 05/09/2006 1:15:24 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: blaquebyrd; clawrence3
Try defending your country instead

clawrence3, I second blaquebyrd's statement. Your country should always come first. Bush is on a downward spiral and I see no end to his betrayal to our Constitution and our heritage.

791 posted on 05/09/2006 1:20:45 PM PDT by liberty2004
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To: nina0113
Eventually we're going to have to find a way to fix Mexico. The short (but wrong) answer is to invade. What can we do to help create a middle class there so that people have a shot at a decent life and don't have to come here to keep from starving?

You're right but that sure is a hard problem to solve since Mexico is so corrupt and the ruling families are very entrenched. This sounds a little crazy, but a socialist revolution (not a Chavez or Castro but more like a Canadian system) in Mexico might not be a bad first step to rid the country of the ruling families. A capitalistic system will never work in that country as long as the ruling class in that country is still in power and the people are far too uneducated and gullible to ever do anything about it.

NAFTA was supposed to help the situation by creating new industries in Mexico and I actually was in favor of it. As you pointed out, it NAFTA may have had it good points but it has outlived it's usefulness now.

As you also pointed out, a wall is the best first step. That way Mexico's problems can be contained and can therefore be more easily solved. If they want to keep the ruling european families in power then at least they will have to endure the consequences by living there.

792 posted on 05/09/2006 1:22:02 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Syncro

LOL - I'm back.


793 posted on 05/09/2006 1:22:20 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: tertiary01

When did I call someone here a terrorist?


794 posted on 05/09/2006 1:23:10 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: blaquebyrd

I am defending my country.


795 posted on 05/09/2006 1:23:26 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Marine Inspector

So laws lean more toward the invader "rights" and tie your hands to be able to do anything constructive.

What a sham!

The invaders are breaking and entering and we can't do anything about it. They are over populating this country, yesterday we got the word that the DFW area will be experiencing a water shortage, I don't doubt it with 20 million unwanted aliens overcrowding this country.


796 posted on 05/09/2006 1:23:33 PM PDT by stopem (To allow a bunch of third world country nationals to divide Americans is unconscionable!)
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To: tarheelswamprat

If you keep reading, the stats use the overall category of "excluded" not "exile" and I apologized for that mixup.


797 posted on 05/09/2006 1:24:36 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: pbrown

Oh, I thought that question was for Bush?


798 posted on 05/09/2006 1:26:18 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: AnnaZ

I should have used the word "expelled" : )


799 posted on 05/09/2006 1:26:52 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: tertiary01

Would it surprise you that I have never been to DU.com?


800 posted on 05/09/2006 1:27:21 PM PDT by clawrence3
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