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To: Howlin
The point is, Jim is supporting Republicans this year -- not third parties -- and certainly not sitting home.

Just like me. That's why I don't understand all the vitriol you've spent towards me in this thread, Howlin.

That doesn't change the fact that, as RNC Chair Ken Mehlman pointed out, conservatives are upset and likely to sit it out unless there are some real legislative efforts to fix things up between the Republican Party and the conservatives who usually vote for Republicans.

You're shooting the messenger, Howlin. I don't plan to sit anything out. In fact, I'm concerned because the Republican congressional candidate I'm campaigning for may suffer because disenfranchised conservatives may sit home or be less than enthusiastic in November. Again, what I want doesn't mean that I can go into denial and pretend that conservatives aren't pissed off and they won't sit it out or vote third party. And I won't do anyone any favors if I shoot the messengers that are reporting this political reality right now.

So, instead of beating up on complaining conservatives, how about working to understand what they're complaining about and seeing what you can do to get things patched up. RNC Chair Mehlman recognizes the problem and has finally said something about it. It may be too little, too late at this point, but some effort should be made. Beating up on disappointed conservatives isn't helpful at all at this point. Telling them to just shut up and vote isn't either.

194 posted on 05/08/2006 9:13:43 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Spiff; epow
The problem is all you all ever do is complain.

That's all you've done since 2000.

How can Bush ever get anything done with you all nipping at his heels 24/7?

The problem here is the "my way or the highway" conservatives who are pushing for only their strident agenda and aren't willing to compromise on anything, therefore they are going to sit home and pout.

Again.

They're willing to put their one issue in front of everything else, just to prove a point.

IMO, too much time has been spent trying to placate a group of people who can never be placated -- and, IMO, don't want to be placated -- they just want an issue.

Some around here just do not seem to understand that there is never going to be mass deportations of illegals. IMO, at least Bush has tried to do SOMETHING about it, even if he gets smacked down at every turn by the unappeasables that want to take over this party.

This country is basically conseravtive, but it is not the "type" of conservatism I see posted on this forum. The extreme right wing of the conservative movement is going to be the end of the GOP's control of the government and all that has been accomplished, granted not as much as we would like, is going to be lost.

Because you better believe that once the Democrats get back in power, the very first thing they are going to do is dismantle the Electoral College and then you and I won't ever have to worry again about getting anybody elected.

You all need to read, comprehend, and take to heart this post by epow; it's one of the best posts posted on this site in year.

It IS the unvarnished truth.

To: Howlin
If you had had your way, Al Gore would be in his second term. BTW, Hillary's counting on your non-vote in 2008.

Zounds!! If I'm not mistaken Howlin, this is the first time in my 8 years on FR that I can fully agree with one of your posts. Any conservative who fails to vote or who votes Democrat to allow the Dems to take back Congress in 07 or the White House in 09 deserves what they will get. But the rest of us conservatives won't deserve it.

C'mon people, use your brains instead of your adrenal glands. Have you forgotten the Carter and Clinton White Houses and the almost 40 straight years of Democrat control of Congress that put us in the dangerous mess we are in now? Instead of voting against your Republican Congressman or Senator this fall, why not write or call him/her and express your opinion in re immigration or whatever your hot button issue may be? If every conservative who is unhappy with his or her Republican representation in Congress and Senate were to express that dissatisfaction NOW by a letter or phone call it would do a lot more good than waiting until Nov to express it at the ballot box.

Do any of you actually believe that a Democrat replacement for your unsatisfactory Republican will not be MUCH more unsatisfactory? Do you really believe a Democrat will do more to restrict immigration that a Republican? The Dems are licking their lips in anticipation of garnering millions of new Democrat voters from the ranks of future Hispanic immigrants. Hispanic Americans vote heavily Democrat now in every region except the south FL Cuban community. Hispanics are a major bloc of the Democrat vote base. That bloc is now far larger than the union vote bloc they betray by encouraging immigration, imagine how dominant the Reid/Pelosi Democrats will be if they get control of the immigration process and bring in even more future Democrat voters.

You people think Democrats will do anything to slow down illegal immigration? Dream on folks, they would bring in millions of bird flu infected chickens if they could get away with registering them as Democrat voters. They don't care about the future of America and they don't give a rip about you or your concerns, all that concerns them is their burning lust for regaining power.

207 posted on 05/05/2006 12:29:10 PM EDT by epow

196 posted on 05/08/2006 9:24:10 PM PDT by Howlin
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