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Illegal Immigration Counter Protesters Detained
OrbusMax ^ | 5/4/06 | SteveB

Posted on 05/04/2006 8:53:59 AM PDT by StevenB

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To: clawrence3

Bush is a globalist internationalist. He's in the CFR.

He is no conservative, nor is he a patriot. One cannot be a member of the CFR and be a true American.


261 posted on 05/05/2006 6:01:54 AM PDT by Crispus Attucks Patriot (The first to give his life for your liberty was a Black man!)
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To: clawrence3
"They don't "hate" it - they are simply exercising their rights under the FIRST AMENDMENT"


BULLCRAP!!!!!!

They want to take back what trhey think belongs to them. This by its very nature is sedition against trhis country.

Its called "La Reconquista de Aztlan" i believe.
262 posted on 05/05/2006 6:05:15 AM PDT by Crispus Attucks Patriot (The first to give his life for your liberty was a Black man!)
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To: clawrence3

No


263 posted on 05/05/2006 6:06:19 AM PDT by Crispus Attucks Patriot (The first to give his life for your liberty was a Black man!)
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To: abigailsmybaby
Maybe we do have different definitions of "people" then. Unfortunately for you, the Courts agree with my definition.
264 posted on 05/05/2006 6:14:33 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Crispus Attucks Patriot

It is enough for me - that does not make me less of a patriot that you - that just means we have a policy disagreement. Especially since I am all for the U.S. government arresting and executing anyone guilty of "treason" - we probably have different definitions of that word too. As for "true Americans", I'd bet I could find at least one CFR member who even you were thinking was a "true American" - as for "when is availing yourself of your own God-given rights incitement to riot?" I would note that you cannot falsely yell fire in a crowded theatre for exactly that reason. Any more questions?


265 posted on 05/05/2006 6:21:27 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
We don't need no vigilantes either.

They weren't acting as "vigilantes" either. They were carrying firearms as is there Right. You'll go to any length to stretch out the absurdity of your statements won't you? Anything but admit you are wrong on this one.

266 posted on 05/05/2006 6:28:01 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I didn't say they were vigilantes - luckily the police got there in time - why did they get reports of people carrying weapons though?


267 posted on 05/05/2006 6:48:00 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: StevenB

yep. they need to lawyer up and file suits for violation of their civil rights immediately.


268 posted on 05/05/2006 6:52:05 AM PDT by uncitizen
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To: clawrence3

Lawfully carring a firearm is not yelling fire in a crowded theater. Thanks for creating a straw-man argument.


I don't care how many CFR members you name. They hold allegience to a One World Government, not the United States of America. I think the CFR and TLC should be declared subversive organizations and outlawed, along with the UN. Yes, I do believe in America first, last, and always. I could care less about the rest of the world, except for their money and that they stay out of our way.


269 posted on 05/05/2006 7:16:00 AM PDT by Crispus Attucks Patriot (The first to give his life for your liberty was a Black man!)
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To: clawrence3

You seem to think the cops were right here.

This is why I think your "thinking", (if you can call it that), is faulty.....no correct that, is completely wrong-headed.


270 posted on 05/05/2006 7:17:47 AM PDT by Crispus Attucks Patriot (The first to give his life for your liberty was a Black man!)
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To: clawrence3
... why did they get reports of people carrying weapons though?

Read the article. Annonymous tip.

Why "luckily"? They were just standing there holding their signs. If your beloved illegals were as peaceful as you say they are, then there wouldn't have been any problems.

271 posted on 05/05/2006 7:51:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Dead Corpse
They were just standing there holding their signs . . . And brandishing weapons, don't forget that part ; )
272 posted on 05/05/2006 7:55:31 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
And brandishing weapons, don't forget that part ; )

Outright LIE.

273 posted on 05/05/2006 8:24:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Really? From what we know, these guys had short vests or jackets that did not even cover their holsters adequately - I have not been able to determine what type of holster was involved, but open carry holsters are different than cc holsters, which generally do not have retention straps (e.g., thumb breaks or more complex devices) but it is certainly possible they had the intent to brandish - given the circumstances and statutes cited above, I think at the very least they should have their permits yanked. Did you know in Alabama, you cannot take firearms to demonstrations? This situation was volatile enough as is. As to "anonymous" do you have some information that the 9-1-1 call was not ID'd?
274 posted on 05/05/2006 8:51:10 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Er... no. From the article presented, the ANNONYMOUS caller said they thought they saw a pistol holstered underneath someones jacket when it fell open. The person carrying was making a reasonable attempt to carry concealed.

Your anti-gun bleating not withstanding, just stop making crap up as you go along. "Brandishing" would actually require blatantly displaying the gun, most definitions actually require it being removed from the holster or purposefully shown in an attempt to intimidate.

Not the case here.

Not being a LEO in Washington, I can't even begin to guess why the caller was not ID'd. Since you seem to be good at pulling facts out of your hat, why don't you make something up and post it as fact to explain this....

And no. I don't think they should have their permits yanked. If there was a citable offense that had taken place, they would have been cited before being released from the police station. If anything, I think it is a travesty that permits are even required. I am a full 2A advocate and feel that Alaska style carry laws are the ONLY ones that a even remotely Constitutional.

275 posted on 05/05/2006 9:15:21 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Dead Corpse

We will have to agree to disagree then. Unless you were there, neither of us KNOW whether it was purposefully shown in an attempt to intimidate. Barring any further information to the contrary, however, I will side with the police on this one. Also, I think YOU are the one assuming it was an "anonymous" caller - from the story, it seems that the police know exactly who it is - at least enough to know he / she was "not part of the march".


276 posted on 05/05/2006 9:26:00 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Unless you were there, neither of us KNOW whether it was purposefully shown in an attempt to intimidate.

Actually, spotting it under an open jacket is what the caller claimed. Not that is was brandished or done in a purposefully threatening manner according to the article posted. If you have other information to the contrary, post a link. Same goes for the identity of the caller.

Otherwise, just stop making it up as you go. I mean really, you are embarassing yourself...

277 posted on 05/05/2006 9:37:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I think I've quoted all the information (not "making it up") I have so far - and obviously I don't think I've embarrased myself - have a nice day though and Happy Cinco de Mayo!


278 posted on 05/05/2006 9:51:10 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
You have repeatedly claimed the firearms legally carried were "brandished". A fact not supported by the only article posted.

Hehhe... Happy 556 day from an AR-15 fan. ;-)

279 posted on 05/05/2006 9:56:33 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: clawrence3
Because even the 2nd Amendment has limits - you cannot bear tactical nuclear weapons as a "firearm" for instance.

A nuke would be considered artillery, not arms. There is no limit on arms per the 2nd Amendment.

280 posted on 05/05/2006 10:01:07 AM PDT by jmc813 (The best mathematical equation I have ever seen: 1 cross + 3 nails= 4 given.)
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