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To: Nova

The selling of Chinese made products is not in itself immoral or unpatriotic. That discussion has been had over and over again; but, it is yet another in the standard list of strawmen presented. Substitute "Foreign" or "British" for "Chinese" and that becomes apparent on it's face given the facts surrounding the revolution that founded this nation. It betrays your argument for the strawman.

What is unpatriotic is selling a foreign product at below local market cost to produce it. That is called unfair competition. You are using foreign wage scales to undermine the US economy. And if you don't understand the damage that does, you need to seek help. If you don't care, you merely illustrate my other points as to morality. Our economy is the backbone of this country's ability to defend itself. If you undermine the economy, you undermine the nation. And by undermining the US wage, you undermine the economy. Pretty simple. But not conducive to allowing you to profit absurdly at the cost of America and Americans. When all you can see is money, Patriotism and what it means becomes 'unimportant' and 'fuzzy.'

Something just kinda crept into the back of my mind. I and others have noted the Glaring prediction of the author of the Free-trade theory that it would lead most likely to revolution. And it's been asked of my side whether we would start a civil war over it. An interesting question. But, as the warning existed before the theory was shoved on us all, it seems more proper to ask if you would.. Start a civil war over it. I ask because it's quite possible that will happen IMHO. Would you? Simple yes or no if you please.


126 posted on 05/04/2006 11:52:39 PM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: Havoc
"But, as the warning existed before the theory was shoved on us all, it seems more proper to ask if you would.. Start a civil war over it. I ask because it's quite possible that will happen IMHO. Would you? Simple yes or no if you please."

If I understand your question, it's about if I'd start a civil war over my right to use chins labor. I'm thinking "No" but like I said, I'm not real sure what the question really is.

Regardless, you're making a lot of assumptions that I believe are just wrong.

First; I'm not a big-shot capitalist. I'm a low-wage worker like you. I've got lots of skills, but no-one wanting to pay me big money for any of them at the moment.

Second; your statement that:

"What is unpatriotic is selling a foreign product at below local market cost to produce it. That is called unfair competition. You are using foreign wage scales to undermine the US economy."

From my perspective, this statement is based on the application of misguided assumptions applied to a complete misunderstanding of economic realities. But, like durasell said, I've got the wrong ammo for this argument, and at this point, I'm going to take a pass on it. There's no way that I can explain a couple economic principles, that I believe in, to you, and have you seeing things like I do.

I'll just say this: China is becoming a world changing industrial empire. And short of a major war, that's just the way things are going to be. The fact the we don't like it as much as we liked the USA being one is irrelevant. The USA's manufacturing muscle will atrophy away, and not because of any simple matters like the peoples willingness to purchase America products. It's way beyond issues like that.

Walmart is a reflection of reality. If Walmart were to vanish tomorrow, nothing would really change. It would just be a minor bump in the road of reality. Chinese products would still flood our market at half the price that similar articles could be produced here. That's just the way things are. The way I see it; you can't change it so you'd best get used to it.

161 posted on 05/05/2006 4:36:37 PM PDT by Nova
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