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To: Donald Meaker
"Aside from the fact that it was started by a convicted fraud?"

When and where was Joseph Smith "convicted of frsud?

Perhaps you have a problem with the fact that Christianity itslef was "started" by One who was comdemned as a "convicted blasphemer" by those who "killed" Him and His Apostles...

304 posted on 05/07/2006 8:39:02 PM PDT by tracer
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To: tracer

Joseph Smith Jr was convicted of fraud, something having to do with using a "jewel" to look for treasure.


306 posted on 05/16/2006 5:20:21 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (The MG-42 has a rate of fire of 1300 rounds per minute.)
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To: tracer

-In the early 1820's Smith was pronounced an imposter by a Pennsylvania court after pretending to have developed sufficient clairvoyant powers to find buried Spanish treasure. In exchange for money, he had sold his clairvoyant services to a treasure hunter and was subsequently unable to provide the promised service, namely to locate the Spanish treasure. After refusing to return the fee paid by the treasure hunter, he was hauled into court, declared a fraud and ordered to refund the money.


307 posted on 05/16/2006 5:31:59 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (The MG-42 has a rate of fire of 1300 rounds per minute.)
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To: tracer

That's the point: There was NOTHING happening in "church history" in the spring of 1825. While post-hoc accounts and apologetics say that Smith spent that time farming, reading the Bible, and being mentored by God and angels, the actual historical documentation says that he was being hauled into court for running his "peep-stoning" scam.

As I've noted many times, the earliest documented accounts from anyone outside the Smith family which reported any claims about heavenly visions and golden plates originated around the summer of 1827---more than a year AFTER Smith's embarrassing "glass-looking" court hearing of March 1826. In that hearing, Smith admitted that his "peep-stoning" practice was all a fraud, and he promised the judge that he would give it up and do honest work. The judge let Smith off based on that promise.

Smith then eloped with Emma Hale against her father's wishes. When they returned after being married, Isaac Hale begrudgingly let them live in an old cabin on his property. But then just a few months later, Smith began spinning his yarn about getting the golden plates from an angel, and claiming that he could translate them via the same "peep-stoning" malarkey THAT HE HAD ALREADY ADMITTED WAS A FRAUD.

"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."---Isaac Hale affidavit, May 1834.
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon430.htm


308 posted on 05/16/2006 5:35:05 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (The MG-42 has a rate of fire of 1300 rounds per minute.)
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To: tracer

On March 20, 1826, Joseph Smith Jr. appeared in civil court in Bainbridge, New York. He was accused of being a "disorderly person or an imposter." This meant perpetrating fraud. Relatives of a farmer by the name of Josiah Stoal (sometimes spelled Stowell) claimed that Smith was paid money after convincing the elderly Josiah that he could find buried money, salt mines, and other things of value by divination.

http://www.algonet.se/~daba/lds/timeline.htm


309 posted on 05/16/2006 5:42:33 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (The MG-42 has a rate of fire of 1300 rounds per minute.)
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