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To: RusIvan
Sit down "2":).

what's "2"?

You just said that jews were to be "pogromed" in Ukraine or anywhere where they lived beacuse they just live there. No matter else. You just said that jews was "hated by anyone" then to be "pogromed" by anyone.

There's nothing wrong with my argument. You said pogroms only happened in Ukraine, I said if Jews were allowed to live in Russia, they would have pogroms there too.

Pogroms were state organized- Ukrainian lands in the Austrian Empire (Galicia, Bukovyna, Transcarpathia) were peaceful. My town- Chernivtsi- is the perfect example.

So ukranians are not guilty of thier "pogroms' but it is Russia' imperial goverment which "compelled" ukranians to live together with jews.

All that is needed is to look at who the pogromshchiki were- it was not the general population. It was the conservative monarchist societies, Russian nationalist in character, like the Black Hundreds who were responsible.

I watched "Fiddler on the roof" not long ago (funny movie)- same story as what I'm saying.

And Cossacks of Khemnitskii pogromed jews BEFORE they even asked to join Russia.

So do NOT accuse Russa of your OWN wrongdoings!

I don't consider Khmelnytsky's actions as pogroms (which I define as conscious and planned implementations). In the Khmel. revolt, rich versus poor, Jews were on the wrong side of the war, they were allied with Poles and had died along with the Poles.

45 posted on 04/24/2006 11:59:08 AM PDT by Mazepa
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To: Mazepa

I don't consider Khmelnytsky's actions as pogroms (which I define as conscious and planned implementations). ==

Khmel cossacks cut throats of jewish women and children and burn alive men in synagoges. It is not "pogroms" you rights it is massarce.
You repeated such massarce later in 1943 in Volyn. And in that case in was agaiunst poles and it was galitsians the perpetrators. DO not forget.


46 posted on 04/25/2006 1:07:48 AM PDT by RusIvan
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