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To: tpaine
"Not true in Calif, Ill, & NY, - just for starters."

Sure it is. I said your RKBA is defined and protected by your state constitution. If there is nothing in your state constitution about arms, then your RKBA is neither defined nor protected.

380 posted on 04/25/2006 6:36:31 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Paulsen ignores Article VI Sec 2:

It was the original intent of the Founders to have the Bill of Rights restrain solely the newly formed federal government.

2. This constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

Case in point. In the deliberations of the constitution, Madison proposed: "Fifthly, That in article 1st, section 10, between clauses 1 and 2, be inserted this clause, to wit: No State shall violate the equal rights of conscience, or the freedom of the press, or the trial by jury in criminal cases."
It was rejected. The Founders did not want such constitutional limitations placed on the states.

It was rejected. The Founders had already written/ratified Article VI Sec 2. There was no need for further specificity.

Yes, the Founders also provided for Amendments to the Constitution. But an amendment like the 14th (which supposedly applied the BOR to the states) was totally contrary to the original intent of the Founders!

The 14th was necessary to clarify the issue. Southern States were violating 2nd Amendment rights using the erroneous 'Barron' decision.

For you to sit there say that because it was an amendment it therefore complied with original intent is, excuse me, absurd.

Paulsen, your's is the absurd argument, based solely on a redundant Madison proposal. Give it a rest. The Constitution is quite clear in defending individual rights.

The second amendment was, and is, a restriction on the federal government only.

The second amendment was, and is, a restriction on fed/state/local governments. Clearly, this "right of the people" -- "shall not be infringed".

Whether the second amendment protects an individual right or a collective right is moot when it comes to state law, since every court in the land has ruled that the second amendment does not apply to state laws. Period.

Simply not true. Nunn_v_Georgia proves otherwise:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/nunn_v_state.txt

Your RKBA is defined and protected by your state constitution.

Not true in Calif, Ill, & NY, - just for starters.

Sure it is. I said your RKBA is defined and protected by your state constitution. If there is nothing in your state constitution about arms, then your RKBA is neither defined nor protected.

There you go again bobbie, making a circular 'denial' type argument, -- ignoring the rest of the Constitution, and the rest of the comments above.

Have you no shame? -- Time after time, when people here present you with well reasoned arguments, you pick one detail to 'deny/answer', ignoring all else.. -- Pitiful display.

383 posted on 04/25/2006 7:19:38 AM PDT by tpaine
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