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China Sole Manufacturer of Material for U.S. Missiles (More crap of which we were unaware?)
Sierra Times ^ | 4/20/2006 | Diane Grassi

Posted on 04/21/2006 7:20:13 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

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To: Seadog Bytes

Thanks for the ping!


41 posted on 04/21/2006 2:10:53 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Yes Ma'am!


42 posted on 04/21/2006 2:21:49 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every socital problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: NRA2BFree
What a bunch of dumbasses we have running this country!

Dumbasses or traitors!

Perhaps some of both?

43 posted on 04/21/2006 3:39:56 PM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: Flightdeck

Nitpicking.


44 posted on 04/21/2006 3:41:48 PM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: Citadel84_1
Other materials can also be used such as Samarium Cobalt...

Then why aren't we using samarium cobalt instead of reliance upon COMMUNIST China?

(Just as a matter of interest: does your keyboard sometimes omit the letter "t"?)

45 posted on 04/21/2006 3:44:40 PM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: Realism
We may still have some secrets left, maybe.

We think this as we whistle whilst walking past the cemetery.

46 posted on 04/21/2006 3:46:48 PM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: joe fonebone
This is old news...

That's what the morons or traitors who put us in these positions hope we continue to think.

47 posted on 04/21/2006 3:48:02 PM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: FerdieMurphy

The gates have been outsourced to the barbarians.


48 posted on 04/21/2006 3:56:23 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: DoughtyOne; 1rudeboy; brownsfan
Sierra Times has been publishing this bogus story for years. Along with World Nut Daily and other kook websites.

The reality is that when Magnequench was sold there were only a few years left on the patents. It is common practice in business to sell patents in this manner because it allows the buyer to penetrate and gain market share before the patent expires. This is old technology. While it may have defense applications it is more important for battery powered hand tools. Plus, at the time, and continuing today, there is a huge amount of infringement taking place.

The second piece if misinfo in the article is that the US is totally dependent on China to mine the rare earths. In a few days there will be an companion article published at Sierra Times about how the feds/EPA/BLM shut down Molycorp's Mountain Pass mine, ending the US's ability to produce rare earths. Bull crap. Molycorps settling ponds on BLM land were shut down because of the egregious spill. Those settling ponds, along with Molycorps entire mining and processing operations are now located on Molycorp's private property. As such, San Bernedino county is the lead agency in permitting, not EPA. As such, only an environmental impact assesement, rather than statement is required. Whatever Molycorp wants, the county will give them.

The truth is that Molycorp has no interest in gaining their thirty year permit/restarting operations since rare earth prices are depressed because of a worldwide oversupply.

49 posted on 04/21/2006 4:00:27 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: FerdieMurphy

See #49


50 posted on 04/21/2006 4:01:33 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: kalee

bttt


51 posted on 04/21/2006 4:05:11 PM PDT by kalee
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To: FerdieMurphy
I'm an inspector for a company that is a major Govt contractor and supplies key systems for the US Military through Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon etc. and our purchase orders to suppliers specify "DOMESTIC MATERIALS" must be used.

We require material certifications WITH parts attesting to the source of materials, as well as Lockheed and Boeing approved sources when it comes to any processes performed on these materials.

I don't know what this article is talking about, but I have first hand experience in this area and see the documentation for materials that go into fighter jets, missiles, helicopters various weapons systems, motion control devices etc, and they meet the domestic source requirements.

I recently rejected and returned thousands of dollars worth of gears from a supplier who mistakenly used alloy steel from Taiwan.

I've never seen any materials come from China.

52 posted on 04/21/2006 4:25:51 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
So much for DFARS compliance.

As major Govt contractor and supplier for the DoD I can tell you that our company and our all of our suppliers comply with all requirements of DFARS.

53 posted on 04/21/2006 4:35:09 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Ben Ficklin

I must agree that there is some misinformation in this story. Many companies that build Audio speakers, use speakers that employ rare earth elements such as Neodymium (sp) magnets. I have some very expensive speakers that also have Neodymium magnets. I will admit that they make for an extremely strong magnet. I'm sure if this material was as rare as said, that Audio speakers would not be using this material. This story sounds kind of like the Cynthia McKinney story that Bush New the World Trade Centers were going to be blown up. I'm sure with all the transfer of American Industry to other areas of the world has put the American Military in a tight spot if this country were to get involved into a long and treacherous Non Nuclear World War.

With just about all American Textile companies overseas now, the idea of dressing a big military from Home sources might be difficult. Todays outsourced material world, has made for some confusing problems should the countries of the world go into isolation.


54 posted on 04/21/2006 5:48:51 PM PDT by herkbird (Semper Fi)
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To: Jorge
and our all of our suppliers comply

Every last screw, washer and fastener?

Maybe, but I don't think so.

55 posted on 04/22/2006 5:02:51 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: Jorge
I've never seen any materials come from China.

Perhaps our government and the ChiComs are too smart for you.

You are an inspector for A company. There are other companies involved in these contracts and you can't know what they're bringing in and inspecting.

56 posted on 04/22/2006 1:25:27 PM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
Every last screw, washer and fastener? Maybe, but I don't think so.

Right now the DFARS specialty metal requirements for us, are applied to gears, machined parts and any raw materials we purchase which could be used to make parts that end up in Lockheed, Boeing or Govt units.

When it comes to purchasing things like motors, synchros etc. it is extremely difficult, if not impossible at this point to flow down DFARS requirements to our suppliers, their suppliers etc to cover EVERY part that goes into the product we buy.

Traditionally screws, washers and other hardware items have been bought from commercial sources and have been exempt from First Article Inspection requirements including documentation like material and finish certifications.

In fact the Military Specs and Standards governing their manufacture are being turned over to commercial control, because the Government doesn't want to keep spending the money to maintain them.

I really doubt the they will push DFARS to cover ever screw, washer and fastener simply because it wouldn't be economically feasible at this point.

57 posted on 04/22/2006 3:57:01 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
As it stands now, DFARS must be flowed down to every supplier.

The government has been holding up shipments from some of the primes until either:
1) They prove 100% compliance or
2) Pay a penalty.

Guess what happens.

58 posted on 04/22/2006 9:34:13 PM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: Realism
What's the big deal, it's dirt to them as long as defense contractors don't show them how to create the finish product? We may still have some secrets left, maybe.

I have been told in military circles that the only way to keep a secret is for "no one to know."
59 posted on 04/22/2006 9:44:42 PM PDT by LuxMaker
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To: SheLion
I was amazed at the thousands of American's working and owning business's right there in China! Disco's and restaurants. You name it. We have thousands of our own making huge bucks and living in China.

Not so amazing. What is amazing is that they have to fork over 50% control to a Chinese Partner who may or may not do anything other than take the partnership monies, and pay the help...pocketing a good chunk on the side...so what was supposed to be pay of say, $1.00 an hour, miraculously gets knocked down to 37 cents an hour. Can we say embezzlement?

And the U.S. partner can't get rid of their Chinese "partner" who is usually a party princeling, or a PLA reservist who "owns" 50% of the operation...

60 posted on 04/24/2006 9:26:47 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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