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04/20/06 FOX Poll: Gloomy Economic Views; Bush Approval at New Low
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192468,00.html ^

Posted on 04/20/2006 11:02:34 AM PDT by Grendel9

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To: pawdoggie

I hear the same type of crap here in Southern OH.

Gas prices are really hurting people. But people that blame Bush for everything under the sun are not being reasonable.


241 posted on 04/20/2006 3:33:43 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (God makes us strong for alittle while so that we can protect the weak.)
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To: mtnwmn

I feel like we are a baseball team.

Our hitting is good, but our pitching has went into the crapper, we cant play defense. We have blown leads and advantages.

After the 2004 election, we folded like a lawn chair after a church picnic. Blame W, Blame Frist, Blame the MSM, Blame RINOs, Blame the RNC, Blame GAS. Blame the entire congress and senate. There is enough blame to go around.

I think we have (taking words from my old football coach) pussy footed around.

If we do not win the World Series/election this fall, we all know why.


242 posted on 04/20/2006 3:51:08 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (God makes us strong for alittle while so that we can protect the weak.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

We better get our act together or we aren't going to win the game. The November election is very important to our country. I think we have too many quarterbacks who think they know more than their coach.


243 posted on 04/20/2006 4:01:41 PM PDT by mtnwmn
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To: mtnwmn

Well, we better not build that wall down by Mexico, 'cause where we all gonna go when the Canadians attack?


244 posted on 04/20/2006 4:08:20 PM PDT by Maine-ah
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To: mtnwmn

That is true.

I believe you usually lose by weakness of your own core. It is not that the Democrats are better.

The day after the election in 2004, there was so much potential..


245 posted on 04/20/2006 4:13:43 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (God makes us strong for alittle while so that we can protect the weak.)
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To: ZULU

Dane is one of several open border advocates who regularly crash ILLEGAL-immigrant threads with nothing much to offer but insults. The good thing about them is that, with each of their posts, they bump the thread back up to the top, thus insuring that more people will read it.


246 posted on 04/20/2006 4:22:55 PM PDT by pdunkin (Z4QQQ Batman symbol)
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To: Grendel9

American gloom about the economy is interesting and I think goes beyond gas prices.


I saw a study where gloom over the economy has not improved since 2000-01 dot.com bust.

I think something else is going on. The world since 911 has become very unpredictable. The global economy is changing with the emergence of China and India and unpredictability causes fear.

BTW GWB understands perfectly about immigration. He isnt going to do anything about it.


247 posted on 04/20/2006 4:26:18 PM PDT by georgia2006
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To: finnman69

""Immigration and border control is potentially an incredible win-win issue for him. Whomever is advising Bush on this is doing a poor job.""


Why is it that people think that Bush's position on immigration is something he is being advised on??? Havent you ever stopped to think his position is geniune???


248 posted on 04/20/2006 4:27:13 PM PDT by georgia2006
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To: Dane

"""Uh Eisenhower didn't have to deal with 12 million and also remember the Haulocaust. Hitler deported 6 million and you wish to deport twice as many, most who are good Christian families, and did not demonstrate or probably agree with the leftist demonstrations."""""""


Goodwins Law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Has been invoked, have a nice day.


249 posted on 04/20/2006 4:27:33 PM PDT by RFT1
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To: Grendel9
Were the applicants for that $6/hourw/no benefits all bonafide Americans? Men, Women?

I don't know. However the person hired was a female U.S. citizen in her twenties.

According to some of the economic experts on this forum, at a 4.5% unemployment rate this guy should have been begging for workers. Instead, hundreds of people (illegal or not) were knocking his door down for a six dollar an hour job.

These are the facts on the ground here in the real world and the Fox poll reflects it.

250 posted on 04/20/2006 4:27:49 PM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: Dane

""People say it's impossible to deport 12 million people. I would say, if we actually had the will and the spine to do it, deportation would soon follow, even if it took decades to finish the job. Remember Operation Wetback?""


if you would bother reading about operation wetback, it was a failure and was prematurly stopped because of protests and opposition..and yes this was in obidient 1954 america


251 posted on 04/20/2006 4:31:51 PM PDT by georgia2006
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To: Baklava

""It doesn't matter how well the stock market does or how low unemployment goes. Most people judge the state of the economy by their own personal household budget which is being hit hard by rising gas prices.""


yuore right but the irony is that it is a stong global economy that is causing gas prices to rise....after 911 about Dec 2001, consumer confidence soared, why because gas prices fell from about $1.50 on 9102001 to about $1.00 by Dec 2001. The fact that gas prices were falling becasue over 1m people lost their jobs or that 25% of the nations airlien fleet was grounded didnt matter or occur to them.


252 posted on 04/20/2006 4:34:57 PM PDT by georgia2006
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To: Dane
Reagan had a vision of unfettered borders between the US, Canada, and Mexico, and not walls.

You haven't established that.

253 posted on 04/20/2006 4:55:40 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Dane
Haulocaust

Uh, are you drunk?

Haul-o-caust? Like there was a big haul involved?

254 posted on 04/20/2006 4:57:12 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: baltoga

That's funny. Besides gas prices (still low comparably with inflation from the early 1970's before the embargo), my property taxes are not going up and I got another 5% pay increase this year.

Careful when making universal statements. All it takes is one contradictory example to tear down the logic.


255 posted on 04/20/2006 5:00:43 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The Bush administration and the GOP Congress have proven to be totally incompetent.)
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To: Grendel9
I don't get it! I read through this article three times and cannot find one word about IMMIGRATION as a key issue re the 'latest drop' in Bush's performance record! Anyone of Bush's advisors can tell him he'd gain at least 40 points just by closing that *#^%$^U border! WHAT is GWB not understanding?!

BUT DO THEY TELL HIM ANYTHING? This is confounding, it's so obvious, why isn't he doing the right thing here?

256 posted on 04/20/2006 5:13:46 PM PDT by ziggygrey
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To: primeval patriot
Read your post and I believe it.
It's a weird story ...but not isolated.

Here in Chicago they are opening a new Wal-Mart in a admittedly bad neighborhood.

They got 25,000 applications.
257 posted on 04/20/2006 5:45:01 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: pdunkin

Good poiint you made.

BUMP!!!!


258 posted on 04/20/2006 6:00:54 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Petronski
You haven't established that.

Reagan himself was a dreamer, capable of imagining a world without trade barriers. In announcing his presidential candidacy in Nov. 1979, he had proposed a “North American accord” in which commerce & people would move freely across the borders of Canada & Mexico. This idea, largely overlooked or dismissed as a campaign gimmick in the US, rankled nationalist sensibilities in the neighboring nations. But Reagan was serious in his proposal. Though he traveled only once outside the North American continent during his first 57 years, he was neither insular nor isolationist. California has windows to the world in Asia, and Reagan thought of the US as a Pacific power as well as an Atlantic one. He also had a Californian’s consciousness of Mexico and an actor’s appreciation of Canadians, who are well-represented in the film community. The dream of a North American accord would drive the successful pursuit of a US-Canadian free trade agreement and a future-oriented “framework” trade agreement with Mexico.

Source: [X-ref immigration] The Role of a Lifetime, p. 461 Jul 2, 1991

BTW, sorry for the mispelling of Holocaust, I spelled it out phonetically, and IMO, my spelling transgression is very small compared to, in what IMO, some of the buchananite anti-immigration clique on FR believe in that the Holocaust never happened.

And I am not saying you belong to that contingent, Petronski.

259 posted on 04/20/2006 6:05:33 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
Moving freely across borders means having borders, enforceable borders. If the influx was as bad then as it is now, I have no doubt Reagan would have had no problem with a defensive wall through which secure and robust free passage could take place among the countries.

Moving freely across the border, in Reagan's mind, never meant anarchy. Anarchy is what we have on the border now.

260 posted on 04/20/2006 6:35:11 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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