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To: Mister Da
Regarding bureaucracy, you are an optimist. The rebate will become a vehicle to promote social policy & redistribute wealth, just as the current tax code does now.

Pure speculation and fear on your part. Wealth is not being taxed so it's not and cannot be a redistribution of wealth.

Already, the so-called marriage penalty is a part of this legislation. Social policy manipulation! And it hasn't even passed yet!

Cite please? Marital status has nothing to do with the prebate. It's based on the number of adults and children in the household.

No huge bureaucracy? Who is gonna record & keep track of all those births, deaths, marriages, divorces, income changes. Address changes alone will keep an army busy. What about people who challenge the amount of rebate? Who do you call when "the dog ate my rebate check"?The gov't will need people & offices to respond to these things - bureaucracy.

Do you think that people do not already die or move who are on SS now? Who takes care of all of that? I would imagine that being able to update your 'profile' online will be part of the system. I don't have to have someone at the DMV change my address. I do that on line myself.

Do checks get lost now? Does the world grind to a halt? When you don't get your check, there is a process to handle it.

Quit worrying and don't let your imagination run away with you.

And since the rebate will be paid monthly, wont any changes to your "rebate status" need to be reported promptly to the new IRS, meaning many people will have to file multiple status reports every year, meaning even more bureaucrats to continuously process this never ending paperwork. Tax filing - once a month? Not for me!

See above. Online updates. More unfounded fears.

And what about people who cheat the system? Its real hard to cheat the clerk at the store - either pay for your purchases, or leave empty handed. You might think beer should be exempt as a food (I do, too), but if you don't pay the tax, you aren't taking home the beer. No room for millions of cheaters there.

Now you are drifting off into loony land and that's also why there is no exemptions for items or people. One rate. On everything. On everybody.

Much easier to cheat a system that must track numerous facts about every citizen in the US - marital status, age, # of kids, income, dependents, etc. So, we're gonna need an investigative & enforcement agency - more bureaucracy, & the WORST kind!

I don't know what plan that you are talking about so I can't respond. None of that has anything to do with the FairTax. Have you read the plan or the FAQs?

Can't you see this is the old system, in reverse? It will be just as corrupt, bureaucratic, & hated as the current system.

There won't be such a system under the FT. Again, you aren't talking about anything that resembles the FT.

I will never support a tax system where there is a direct exchange of money between the individual citizen & government. Anytime this occurs, the gov't & pols uses this to manipulate the people for political purposes, which is contrary to Lincoln's "of the people, by the people, for the people".

It sounds more like the income tax. The government's only connection to the citizen will be IF the person wants the rebate. It's not a mysterious calculation. Look at the chart that fits the 'family'. That's the rebate. No filing of tax returns. No audits by the IRS. Nothing. All that contact goes away.

Are you sure that you read about this plan? You sound like you are either making things up or repeating things that you have heard that have nothing to do with this specific plan.

If the Fair Tax ever gets into the national spotlight, most of the contention will center on the rebate, as greedy pols always gravitate to the source of money & power. Watch & see! Hopefully, that will prove the flawed rebate provision, & it will be tossed.

The prebate was the hardest thing for me to get passed too, but for an otherwise great plan, this is a necessary feature to get it approved.

As to exemptions, you confuse our current income tax exemptions, which are nothing by blatant social manipulation & wealth redistribution, with sales tax exemptions, such as food, that would be applied EQUALLY to every purchaser. Nothing could be fairer, or more democratic. From day one, a rebate will be neither.

I am not confusing anything. If food is exempted, does that mean that my caviar is also tax free or just your ground meat? Your fur coat is as tax free as my wool one? It is this type of fight that will cause problems that the prebate avoids. Everyone is taxed on everything. Everyone gets a prebate based on spending up to the poverty level. That way whatever you CHOOSE to spend your money on is tax exempt up to that amount. No bureaucrats deciding any who, whats, or hows. No proof of who makes how much. It's freedom.

Please, spend some time to look into the plan and put aside your fears and speculations that are not grounded in fact.

95 posted on 04/17/2006 12:54:52 AM PDT by Badray
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To: Badray
There is too much to get into this AM, but I have read the plan and the posted article.

I disagree completely with your analysis - the devil is ALWAYS in the details, & govt' is always fouling up when it comes to handling our money.

As an example of how wrong you are, you said "Marital status has nothing to do with the rebate", yet in paragraph 4, sentence 2 of the excerpt of the posted article it CLEARLY says "plus an extra amount to prevent any marriage penalty". So, marital status clearly does affect the amount of rebate you receive.

You said "The government's only connection to the citizen will be IF the person wants the rebate". That is factually WRONG. Sentence 2 of para 4 clearly states "The FairTax provides every family with a rebate of the sales tax...". What part of the word EVERY don't you understand. The rebate will be sent to EVERY US family, not just those who want it. And who in their right mind would not want it.

As you are wrong in the above, you are wrong with everything else in your reply.

I suggest you do some research yourself, as you seem to be ignorant of the facts. Read again carefully para 4 of the excerpt above. My comments are based on this, & are a fair analysis of it.

One other thing. Phrases like "Pure speculation and fear on your part", "Quit worrying and don't let your imagination run away with you", & "drifting off into loony land" are the phrases of the LEFT - John Kerry & Howard Dean come to mind - & USED CAR SALESMEN! This issue is important to me, & I wont be cowed by such empty rhetoric. Save it for your mama.

The rebate is a pig!
103 posted on 04/17/2006 5:51:48 AM PDT by Mister Da (Nuke 'em til they glow!)
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