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Rebutting Darwinists: (Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in God)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 04/15/2006 | Ted Byfield

Posted on 04/15/2006 11:44:16 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: Alter Kaker

He is correct. It does not require adherence to religion to hold to completely unsupported assumptions.


161 posted on 04/15/2006 2:33:45 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Tribune7

Until such time as science can replicate the Origins of Life, any theory is simply that, a theory.

From a scientist, I will tell you the arrogance and the stupidity is coming from the evolutionists as well.

Despite the pompous certitude of scientists and educators, the fact remains:

A simple functioning enzyme, a primitive life form of any kind, has NEVER been replicated. NEVER.

Ask yourself - why?


162 posted on 04/15/2006 2:33:58 PM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Senator Allen on Democrats: "...let's enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whiny throats.")
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To: ml1954

It's actually funny- they're better at being consistent with their evolution strawmen then they are at being consistent with their own 'theory'. ID is or is not religion at their convenience, but at least they can agree that the Theory of Evolution covers the origins of life.


163 posted on 04/15/2006 2:35:00 PM PDT by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: SirLinksalot
Where, one reader demanded, did I get the information that 10 percent of scientists accept intelligent design? I got it from a National Post (newspaper) article published two years ago, which said that 90 percent of the members of the National Academy of Science "consider themselves atheists." Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp.

This is not an honest means by which to derive such a statistic. Not being an atheist does not imply believing in the non-scientific assertion called "Intelligent Design", which makes specific (and untestable) claims. Deriving such a statistic through very obviously specious means leads me to question the author's honesty and rationality.
164 posted on 04/15/2006 2:35:49 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: connectthedots

But that is exactly it! They don't say it is part of the theory of evolution! They say it is part of Evolutionary Biology!


165 posted on 04/15/2006 2:35:49 PM PDT by Mephari
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To: Enduring Freedom
A simple functioning enzyme . . . has NEVER been replicated. NEVER.

Yeah they have.

166 posted on 04/15/2006 2:39:16 PM PDT by ahayes
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To: fr_freak
So, the end result is that I cannot so a person believing both in God and evolution without engaging in a logical disconnect.

Your problem is not in assuming the abilities of God, but in assuming the motives. As you are not a God, you have no means by which to assume that a God would have a specific motive to create a system wherein evolution would or would not occur.

In other words, it is fallacious to assume that a premise is false because a deity would not want it to be true. Such a conclusion assumes absolute knowledge of the mind of the deity, and that is impossible.
167 posted on 04/15/2006 2:39:17 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Mephari; connectthedots
Mephari, in Post 132 you say "Your insinuation is that evolution involves the creation of life, which it does not."

What did you mean by that?

168 posted on 04/15/2006 2:39:50 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: ahayes

Never.


169 posted on 04/15/2006 2:39:56 PM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Senator Allen on Democrats: "...let's enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whiny throats.")
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Placemarker


170 posted on 04/15/2006 2:40:58 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Enduring Freedom

"Until such time as science can replicate the Origins of Life, any theory is simply that, a theory."

Theory is the highest category in science; there is nothing else for a theory to ascend to. All theories in science are provisional.

"A simple functioning enzyme, a primitive life form of any kind, has NEVER been replicated. NEVER."

This has nothing to do with the validity of evolution.

Talk about arrogance.


171 posted on 04/15/2006 2:44:00 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Enduring Freedom
Indeed!
172 posted on 04/15/2006 2:44:18 PM PDT by ahayes
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To: PatrickHenry

"Festival of Make-Believe Controversey" placemarker


173 posted on 04/15/2006 2:45:59 PM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: Coyoteman
Indeed. It seems creationists are unable to separate the dynamics of a system from its origins.
Or at least they seem to be "unable" to do so wrt life.
174 posted on 04/15/2006 2:46:36 PM PDT by BMCDA (If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,we would be so simple that we couldn't)
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To: Tribune7

Maybe because they're both origin-related.


175 posted on 04/15/2006 2:47:38 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Hey Guitarman, keep strummin'.

Evolution is not comprehensive enough to incorporate the Origin of Life. Intelligent Design is.

In fact, Intelligent Design is broad enough to include Evolution as the process by which life expanded on earth.

Stop getting wasted, and start thinking.

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Yockey
Information theorist Hubert Yockey argued that chemical evolutionary research raises the question:

Research on the origin of life seems to be unique in that the conclusion has already been authoritatively accepted … . What remains to be done is to find the scenarios which describe the detailed mechanisms and processes by which this happened. One must conclude that, contrary to the established and current wisdom a scenario describing the genesis of life on earth by chance and natural causes which can be accepted on the basis of fact and not faith has not yet been written. (Yockey, 1977. A calculation of the probability of spontaneous biogenesis by information theory, Journal of Theoretical Biology 67:377–398, quotes from pp. 379, 396.)

In a book he wrote 15 years later, Yockey argued that the idea of abiogenesis from a primordial soup is a failed paradigm:

Although at the beginning the paradigm was worth consideration, now the entire effort in the primeval soup paradigm is self-deception on the ideology of its champions. … The history of science shows that a paradigm, once it has achieved the status of acceptance (and is incorporated in textbooks) and regardless of its failures, is declared invalid only when a new paradigm is available to replace it. Nevertheless, in order to make progress in science, it is necessary to clear the decks, so to speak, of failed paradigms. This must be done even if this leaves the decks entirely clear and no paradigms survive. It is a characteristic of the true believer in religion, philosophy and ideology that he must have a set of beliefs, come what may (Hoffer, 1951). Belief in a primeval soup on the grounds that no other paradigm is available is an example of the logical fallacy of the false alternative. In science it is a virtue to acknowledge ignorance. This has been universally the case in the history of science as Kuhn (1970) has discussed in detail. There is no reason that this should be different in the research on the origin of life. (Yockey, 1992. Information Theory and Molecular Biology, p. 336, Cambridge University Press, UK, ISBN 0-521-80293-8).

Yockey, in general, possesses a highly critical attitude toward people who give credence toward natural origins of life, often invoking words like "faith" and "ideology". Yockey's publications have become favorites to quote among creationists, though he is not a creationist himself (as noted in this 1995 email [1]).

Panspermia advocates
Panspermia, the idea that life came to Earth from elsewhere in the universe, is viewed by some as a criticism of abiogenesis. However, panspermia hypotheses simply transfer the origin problem elsewhere without offering a solution, so it does not necessarily address or criticize abiogenesis.

Crick
Francis Crick, molecular biologist and neuroscientist, most noted for being one of the co-discoverers of the structure of the DNA molecule, and chemist Leslie Orgel co-proposed Directed Panspermia as the mechanism through which life started on Earth.


176 posted on 04/15/2006 2:48:00 PM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Senator Allen on Democrats: "...let's enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whiny throats.")
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To: ahayes

Don't make me laugh!

Never has science created anything even resembling life, from non-life.

Evolutionists have resorted to Art Bell-like Panspermia to explain that life on earth came from outer space.

Perhaps you and your ilk should join Scientology so that the Myth of Xenu could help end your sleepless, haunted nights.

E-Meters anyone? Anyone?


177 posted on 04/15/2006 2:51:34 PM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Senator Allen on Democrats: "...let's enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whiny throats.")
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To: stands2reason
Darwinism, like Global Warming, has become a religion for for folks who lack the ability to understand either.
178 posted on 04/15/2006 2:54:18 PM PDT by Fielding (Sans Dieu Rien)
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To: BMCDA

ID'ers can still think outside the soup, unlike Evolutionists.

The Origin of Life remains a theory.

ID does as good a job as Panspermia, the notion that life on earth came from outer space. That just outsources the Origin of Life question - a cheap stunt.

I have no problem with evolution being the process by which life expanded on earth - none at all.

I have a problem denouncing a theory when science has no proof whatsoever to the contrary.


179 posted on 04/15/2006 2:55:02 PM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Senator Allen on Democrats: "...let's enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whiny throats.")
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To: Sofa King
ID in a nutshell (a short, and certainly incomplete list):

- ID is and is not about religion
- The IDer may or may not be dead
- The IDer may or may not be a God of some kind (maybe there are multiple IDer Gods)
- If the IDer is not a god or gods it/they may be space aliens or time traveling humans
- ID addresses the origins of life: that is, the IDer(s) didit
- ID addresses origin of species: that is, the IDer(s) didit
- ID cannot be tested
- ID makes no falsifiable assertions about anything
- ID makes no predictions about future discoveries. It cannot predict anything.
- ID is useless other than as philosophy. And it really doesn't do much philosophizing either.
180 posted on 04/15/2006 2:56:03 PM PDT by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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