Posted on 04/13/2006 6:51:19 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
I believe evolution is well-established as a scientific fact. I also don't think creationism should be taught in science classes in public schools. I do however disagree with the notion that teachers cannot even mention ID. I recall my 5th grade teacher taught about evolution and the big bang. She was a great teacher. I recall her stating that some people do not believe in these theories because it is not in the Bible. She was religious, and I recall her saying that she thought the evidence supported the theories. She said her opinion was that God made the big bang and evolution happen. I agree with what she said.
Gumlegs: All religious points of view, Fester, or just yours?
No need to reply; we already know the answer.
Fester: All religious points of view. Practically speaking, however, this area could be honed down to general terms and electives. I am grown up enough to realize there are adherents to different religions, including atheists, all of whom are fellow citizens entitled to an equal hearing when their tax money is spent on education. All of which goes to show public education paid for by the taxpayer is a particularly stupid idea unless one is devoted to mediocrity.
Suuure, Fester. And by law, too! There's nothing wrong with public education that a few more laws won't fix! And I'm sure you're just rabid to have our kids taught Muslim perspectives in health class. You really want med schools to cover the Vedic implications of drug therapies. And how can the modern American child possibly get along with a thorough grounding in traditional Ojibway perspectives on radio astronomy
At bottom, however, the objection is neither logical nor scientific. There is no scientific answer to the suggestion that organized matter performing specific functions MIGHT be best explained by intelligent design. There is only the verbal manifestion of tightened mental undergarments on the part of those who are devoted to an arbitrary philsophy that thinks natural substance must be constrained to human understanding.
I thought you were hot to get religion into the schools.
But ID isn't science, Fester. We know this because ID proponents are trying so hard to change the definition of science to make ID fit.
ID is not science because it makes no predictions and suggests no further lines of research.
It's not science because it can't be falsified.
So we know it's not science. It's not religion, because that's what all the ID adherents said under oath at the Dover trial. So what ID appears to be is nothing.
Kids already know that.
Not an assumption?.. Its a story, a tale, science fiction, which could have a little truth in it.. the way most fiction does..
"It is absurd for the Evolutionist to complain that it is unthinkable for an admittedly unthinkable God to make everything out of nothing, and then pretend that it is more thinkable that nothing should turn itself into everything."-G.K. Chesterton
"Truth, of course, must of necessity be stranger than fiction, for we have made fiction to suit ourselves."-G.K. Chesterton
Yepper. In Groton, The BEQ was on the SubBase Groton, but my boat was at State Pier on the New London side of the river.
I had a Honda 750F that I rode when the weather was good, and when things got icy, a '68 MGB GT (US steering, women not included).
The Honda was a rock-solid scoot and the MG was pretty reliable most of the time, but I never quite trusted it. It was sorta like the Chinese curse 'May you live in interesting times' as translated by Morris Garage.
My wife was driving our '68 MGB on Los Feliz Blvd in one of those Southern California torrential downpours, and she was literally hit by a wall of water pouring out of Griffith Park. She said she looked to her right to see how deep it was, and all she could see was bubbling brown in the passenger window.
But the MG kept right on going through it and got her where she was going. That low center of gravity did the trick. Low center of gravity on the car, I mean.
They *do* know this is a Conservative site, right?
Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God.
1 Corinthians 8:1-3
"Sometimes one hears it argued that the issue is moot because biochemistry is a fact-based discipline for which theories are neither helpful nor wanted. The argument is false, for theories are needed for formulating experiments. Biology has plenty of theories. they are just not discussed--or scrutinized--in public. The ostensibly noble repudiation of theoretical prejudice is, in fact, a cleverly disguised antitheory, whose actual function is to evade the requirement for logical consistency as a means of eliminating falsehood. We often ask ourselves nowadays whether evolution is an engineer or a magician--a discoverer and exploiter of preexisting physical principles or a worker of miracles--but we shouldn't. The former is theory, the latter is antitheory."
Robert B. Laughlin, A Different Universe--Reinventing Physics from the Bottom Down, Basic Books, New York, 2006) pp. 168-170.
"Sometimes one hears it argued that the issue is moot because biochemistry is a fact-based discipline for which theories are neither helpful nor wanted. The argument is false, for theories are needed for formulating experiments. Biology has plenty of theories. they are just not discussed--or scrutinized--in public. The ostensibly noble repudiation of theoretical prejudice is, in fact, a cleverly disguised antitheory, whose actual function is to evade the requirement for logical consistency as a means of eliminating falsehood. We often ask ourselves nowadays whether evolution is an engineer or a magician--a discoverer and exploiter of preexisting physical principles or a worker of miracles--but we shouldn't. The former is theory, the latter is antitheory."
Robert B. Laughlin, A Different Universe--Reinventing Physics from the Bottom Down, (Basic Books, New York, 2006) pp. 168-170.
(Dr. Laughlin is no creationist. He is a Stanford University professor who won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1998.)
Your ignorance is invincible!
Do you really think it is the sworn duty of all people to restrict ideas by law?
Ideas aren't restricted by law, Fester. There's no law anywhere that says you can't entertain any half-baked notion you'd like. Just don't expect the people who actually know something about the subject to be impressed. What you are trying to do is join a game of poker and demand to beat a straight flush with a two of clubs, a three of diamonds, a five of hearts, a valentine and a deed to the Short Line Railroad.
Although the idea of intelligent design is in accord with religious teachings rearding an Almighty Creator, that hardly necessitates sectarian teaching in the classroom.
Unfortunately, the "idea of intelligent design" is also in accord with an grotesquely inept creator. In other words, it means whatever anyone wants it to mean. It's utterly worthless as a scientific explanation for anything.
You're on your own when it comes to religious "rearding."
It is apparent you do not trust people to think for themselves, but would prefer to use the law to keep them from thinking differently than you do. We have words for that kind of person, and they do not include "scientist."
Is that supposed to be some kind of threat?
I'm not worried, though, because your vocabulary doesn't interest me in the least, as it has only the most distant relationship to English even in the rare instances when your words have consistent meanings. You have again ignored all the tests a theory must meet to be considered science. You want science to be whatever makes you feel good. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
yep, they mock and try to dismiss the Lord's power by calling it pixie dust... ses it all the time.
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