Posted on 04/13/2006 6:51:19 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
Bravo...the words of such a man, as St. Augustin, need to be read and reread and reread again and again...they were timely when written and timely now....I have read this passage before early in my time on these crevo threads, yet reading it and rereading it, is always inspirational, and should be read by everyone....such stirring words, such clear, insightful thoughts, are appreciated by me, every single time I read this passage...
Thanks for bringing it up again, there are many who may have never read this passage...
Does it really matter where anyone is from?...is evolution only a US matter?
Like the article says you are a 'theistic evolutionist', like just about everyone else on this thread that believes in evo
Best not teach Newtonian or Einsteinian mechanics then, either. Clue for the clueless. Revisions of scientific theories don't tend to completely overturn the knowledge that went before.
I'd also be interested in knowing what significant part of the theory of evolution has been overturned or found to be incorrect in the last 100 years. Mendelian genetics and molecular biology have enormously strengthened the theory with additional confirming data about mechanism and numerous further successful predictions about the molecular and genetic data derived from evolutionary theory, true, but they didn't make what was previously known wrong; they simply added detail.
You need to have someone else reproduce your results, or observe you in your prayers and subsequent events.
Individual experiences are highly subjective. Shared experiences, when taken together have a tendency toward objectivity.
Is Genesis the Word of the Lord? Ok I thought so.
Give me specifics of these answers, and I'll be happy to advise.
One does not have to buy into omphalism (spasmodic or otherwise) to accept the idea of miracles.
Please identify how a specific invocation of the supernatural to explain one purported event of religious significance is different in kind from a general invocation of the supernatural to explain all phenomena in religious terms. In other words, why stop at one, or a million little miracles? Why not an all-encompassing, big miracle?
Look, I assume that by naturalism you mean the theory or belief that scientific laws are adequate to describe all phenomena.
There is no need for the word 'all'. Naturalism is the idea that physical explanations are useful to describe the world. One can be more or less naturalistic, although I'd argue we're all >99% naturalistic. A metaphysical naturalist would go further than practical natrualists and say, looking at the success of naturalism in replacing non-naturalistic explanations, and the repeated failure of the latter, that naturalism is indeed adequate to explain all phenomena.
But naturalism cannot deal with miracles except by ignoring or discounting them. Nor can it deal with things that are not phenomena, such as questions of morality. It can disprove miracles, by providing substitute natural explanations. And it can deal with questions of morality, by asking, if we adopt X as a moral principle, what will be the consequences. One can certainly have a naturalistic examination of the consequences of the principle 'homosexuality is wrong' for example. Whether morality could be dealt with in an exclusively naturalistic way is another issue, but let's get a foot in the door first :-)
IOW Ignorance is strength.
Try seeing what St Augustine had to say about reckless expounders of Scripture who use Scriptural argument to reject reason.
Signing out for the night placemarker.
Are you questioning my authority! :) lOL
Not me. I'm one of your god-denying ay-thee-ists.
So, you like to pigeon hole people...put a label on them...cram them into some little box...and act as if you have some special secret interpretation of the Bible, that is the only one acceptable to God...you are only human, just a prone to error as anyone else...I am only human, and also just as prone to error as anyone else...so, we are on equal footing, when it comes to reading the Bible, and knowing what it says to us...
Well, your opinion of me, your labeling of me, or anyone else on this thread, matters not at all to me...its only your opinion, only important to yourself...and thats fine, thats what gets you through life...
Well, we were disscussing what "we" should teach in OUR schools in the USA when I said "we should teach more Math and less evo", I know GB isnt going to teach ID they really don't even have many functioning Churches left.
I'm not Catholic, he is only but a man.
"The good Christian should beware of mathematicians and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and confine man in the bonds of Hell." -- St. Augustine
Well, many of the creationists also consider me worthy of the special damnation that they say will occur to atheists...presuming to speak for God, yeah, thats an effective method of discussion...
One special creationist(now banned), told me I was an awful person, and then he actually had the nerve to tell me he was a great prophet(of God, no doubt), and he told me as he sat at his computer, that he saw me and my whole family, and all of my descendents, condemned by a return to 'Mother Europe', whatever the heck that meant...I always meant to ask him what he meant by that, but his demise never gave me the chance...
Thanks. I'll look for it.
LOL! I have to keep that one in mind...
I have run into many of the students of this school on these threads...I think they graduated with honors, as they take such grim delight in what they perceive to be the terrible fate of others...
...while humming: "What bliss will fill the ransomed souls, when they in glory dwell, to see the sinner as he rolls, in quenchless flames of hell."
;^)
Yeah ... would't want them furriners pokin' they noses into 'murican buisness.
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