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To: zarf

I strongly object to penalizing employers, they should not be made into INS agents.

If you start penalizing empoyers, you can probably lock up 90% of the US population, because virtually everyone employed an illegal at one time or another as a gardener, as a nanny, as a roofer, etc. Did you do a full background check on YOUR gardener?


18 posted on 04/11/2006 11:43:13 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion
I strongly object to penalizing employers, they should not be made into INS agents.

First of all they are already required by federal law to check documents. It is already a $10,000 fine per illegal employed. But the objections of difficulty checking documents is very well addressed in H.R. 4437. There are very reasonable protections for employers in cases where the gov. verifies a worker's documents and they are later found to be fraudulent. The database is already in place too.

27 posted on 04/11/2006 11:54:19 PM PDT by TigersEye (Sedition and treason are getting to be a Beltway fashion.)
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To: FairOpinion
If you start penalizing empoyers, you can probably lock up 90% of the US population, because virtually everyone employed an illegal at one time or another as a gardener, as a nanny, as a roofer, etc. Did you do a full background check on YOUR gardener?

Are you putting that forth as a serious argument? because the facts are certainly bogus. If it was even half true it wouldn't hold water because they certainly wouldn't make a law retroactive to employers.

28 posted on 04/11/2006 11:57:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Sedition and treason are getting to be a Beltway fashion.)
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To: FairOpinion

No ex poste facto laws. If new laws come into effect, they have a date when they become effective. What you did in the past doesn't matter.

Kind of like drinking when you were 20 when the drinking age was 18 ages ago. You're not going to get busted for that when they raised the drinking age to 21 a few years down the road.

And why not create documents that are much harder to forge and then hold employers accountable? Employees are accountable to their employer if they accept counterfeit currency. No reason that employers, if legal immigrats are given an identification that is as difficult to forge as is our currency, shouldn't nor couldn't be expected to hire only legal citizens.


30 posted on 04/12/2006 12:03:37 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: FairOpinion
If you start penalizing empoyers, you can probably lock up 90% of the US population, because virtually everyone employed an illegal at one time or another as a gardener, as a nanny, as a roofer, etc. Did you do a full background check on YOUR gardener?

LOL!

This may come as a shock to you, but 90% of us don't HAVE gardeners!

We even mow our own lawns! (those of us fortunate enough to HAVE lawns!)

Welcome to the New USA: By the Gated Community Members, of the Gated Community Members, and for the Gated Community Members. All others stay outside -- and please, don't disturb Our Mexicans on their way to work!

ROFLMAO!

40 posted on 04/12/2006 12:43:23 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: FairOpinion

"If you start penalizing empoyers, you can probably lock up 90% of the US population, because virtually everyone employed an illegal at one time or another as a gardener, as a nanny, as a roofer, etc. Did you do a full background check on YOUR gardener?"

Maybe 90% of Californians break the law, but speaking for myself, I didn't even HAVE a gardener, and if I did, I can promise you I wouldn't hire an illegal to do it.


52 posted on 04/12/2006 1:39:14 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: FairOpinion
I strongly object to penalizing employers, they should not be made into INS agents.

Wrong. Toss the treasonous scum who deliberately hire the illegals in jail for a year, and the problem will resolve itself quickly and without need for mass deportations.

78 posted on 04/12/2006 4:35:42 AM PDT by RogueIsland (.)
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To: FairOpinion
Your point is correct. There is NO ONE in the this country who hasn't benefited from goods or services provided through the effort of illegal workers. (anyone ever bought meat or clothes before?) I don't like that fact but, to say We don't use illegal workers, is just a lie.
85 posted on 04/12/2006 5:31:17 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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