[orionblamblam]

> I don't think it makes a person anti-American.

I define "anti-American" as any activity that will negatively impact the future of America and it's citizens *and* the person proposing the action is smart enough to figure that out. Since creationism will serve the purpose of undermining science, and since science is vital to the defence, economy and growth of the US... along with being factually wrong and silly superstitous nonsense, creationism is thus also anti-American.

> Which it's hard to educate someone, when you offend them in every post.

You can't reason someone out of a position they got to via unreasonable means. The knowledge and facts are freely available to every American to know that evolution is a factual and ongoing occurance. The rejection of it is based solely on unreason.

> you don't need to do this to be effective.

Facts and reason, calmly and dispassionately put forward, do not work on those steeped in nonsensical ideology. Try talking a Jihadist out of blowing up a schoolbus full of children or a neo-Nazi out of Holocaust denial.

I have to go with Penn & Teller on this one.

[Conservative Texan Mom]

I do agree that there are some that you can not reason with. But there are many that you can, but not if you offend them first. The goal doesn't need to be changing their belief, but to educate them as to why it's not taught in schools.

I haven't been on these threads long enough to know whether all the Creationist, ID, and Christians are pushing for it to be taught in schools. I'm a Christian, and I don't advocate it, but then again, we homeschool. Some, may just be defending their belief, apart from education.

I think that you carry this into the realm of fanaticism, and I don't see that. We may just have to disagree on that point.