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So if some of you would stop bickering for a while, I have a constructive question.
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If, while at the Kroger, Mangum declared herself a rape victim (i.e. within the hour), when did she give the 610 Buchanan Blvd. address to the police? If the cops have a woman claiming to be a rape victim and an address at which the rape is supposed to have occurred, it seems to me that's enough to get a warrant and do the search immediately, especially as there had already been a police visit to that address that same evening.

Also if (since?) Kim was the 911 caller and had repeated the address three times during the 911 call, and in any event had driven Mangum away from the address, why couldn't Kim give the address? Or didn't Kim initially claim that she found Mangum wandering around at some unspecified location?

If Mangum and Kim didn't give the address to the police immediately (i.e. in the Kroger parking lot), then how could the police get a warrant to search an unknown location. If Mangum or Kim later "remembered" details, such as the address, that would be enough to delay the search.

Anyone know: which way was it? When did the police get the address?
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In an earlier thread I had a question about the cars and how Mangum planned to get home. If Mangum and Kim arrived in separate cars 30 minutes apart, because they didn't know each other, how did Mangum plan to get home? It's been suggested Mangum was dropped off and was to call for a ride. That makes sense, but is a dumb plan for an experienced stripper to make. Mangum may be that dumb. OTOH, if Mangum arrived in her own car, she must have gone back the next day to get it, since Mangum's father reports that she brought her car home the next day saying she wasn't going to drive it for a while.

Here's another question. If Kim and Mangum didn't know each other before that night, and there had been no prearrangement for Kim to drive Mangum home, why did Kim, knowing the night's work was over and being outside in her own car, and seeing Mangum go back into the house alone, and not knowing that Mangum was "in danger", and knowing that Mangum had alternate transportation home, why did Kim hang around outside in the car for 30 minutes waiting on Mangum? Because Mangum asked total-stranger Kim to? Why didn't Kim, who must have been impatient to leave, go get Mangum? Maybe Kim wasn't impatiently waiting in the car but doing something else she doesn't want to admit?
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The more I think about this, the more I believe Kim is the key to unravelling this whole sordid tale. She clearly doesn't want to be involved as evidenced by her lying to the police. If Kim's really skipped town, does this favor Mangum or the lax team?
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p.s. Stop reading now. Really, don't read the following. OK, if you're still reading it's your fault. I try to keep the following under control but as a former prof I just can't help myself being the grammar police. I ask your forgiveness in advance. "La Crosse" is the name of any number of towns/cities in the U.S. and Canada. "lacrosse" is the name of the sport in question. It's often written "lax" where the "x" represents the "crosse" in "lacrosse". Thank you for your tolerance of my condition.

"The more I think about this, the more I believe Kim is the key to unravelling this whole sordid tale. She clearly doesn't want to be involved as evidenced by her lying to the police. If Kim's really skipped town, does this favor Mangum or the lax team?"

That's a good question - made harder to answer by the variety of possible reason a young black stripper might have for not wanting to be involved - it could be that she has done something wrong in this case but it could be an unrelated reason.

Here's another question. If Kim and Mangum didn't know each other before that night, and there had been no prearrangement for Kim to drive Mangum home, why did Kim, knowing the night's work was over and being outside in her own car, and seeing Mangum go back into the house alone, and not knowing that Mangum was "in danger", and knowing that Mangum had alternate transportation home, why did Kim hang around outside in the car for 30 minutes waiting on Mangum? Because Mangum asked total-stranger Kim to? Why didn't Kim, who must have been impatient to leave, go get Mangum? Maybe Kim wasn't impatiently waiting in the car but doing something else she doesn't want to admit?

Okay, here's what they may have been doing together locked in the bathroom (besides drugs): They decided they were going to bolt the party. They then were on Mangum's cellphone trying to call her boyfriend. When Mangum couldn't reach him after calling several numbers, she made Kim promise to drive her somewhere until she could call him to come meet them and get her. They then emerged from the bathroom and bolted the party.

Based on what the defense is saying in the recent stories about the photos, it now seems that it may have been much shorter than 30 minutes between the time Mangum leaves the car to get her shoes, bangs on the door, passes out in the yard, and a lacrosse guy goes out and helps her back to the car. Could have been only 10-15 minutes.

Can someone link the article that says Kim has gone underground?

I tried to find this earlier but I couldn't find that statement in the article someone had cited (I think it was the Newsweek article).

In an earlier thread I had a question about the cars and how Mangum planned to get home. If Mangum and Kim arrived in separate cars 30 minutes apart, because they didn't know each other, how did Mangum plan to get home? It's been suggested Mangum was dropped off and was to call for a ride. That makes sense, but is a dumb plan for an experienced stripper to make. Mangum may be that dumb. OTOH, if Mangum arrived in her own car, she must have gone back the next day to get it, since Mangum's father reports that she brought her car home the next day saying she wasn't going to drive it for a while.

I was also thinking she probably drove, because her car was probably where she left her coat (she must have had something on over the see-through negligee when she arrived, and it was not in the house nor in Kim's car), but perhaps not. She may have been too drunk to drive. Her boyfriend may have dropped her off, and she was so drunk she left her coat in his car.

Would that arrest record have turned up any recent license suspensions? If she had had her license suspended and wasn't supposed to be driving, and knew she would be deaing with the police, perhaps she dropped the car off for that reason.