Posted on 04/08/2006 10:23:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee
I don't like that map. There's a small county out in West Texas that probably has a little higher percentage of "Latino" population thanks to my extended family, who are descended from ancestors who have been here in Texas since the mid-1700s and contributed young men to battle and war on behalf of Texas and the U.S. for generations since then. But we've never shirked our responsibility or disrespected the U.S. or Texas. I won't apologize for existing, and that map implies that I should.
here's whats going on here in Salt Lake.
Tommorrow, and Monday...
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635197113,00.html
grownups are WAY worried this is gonna get ugly here...
I didn't draw it or make the map. Further, I don't know how old or updated it is. It appears, that parft of the info was furnished by the U.S. Census Bureau. Aztlan have their own web site and intentions. However, like it or not, the demographic truth is the truth. If you have an argument, I suggest you take it up with the U.S. Government Census Bureau, and the supporters of Aztlan.
Yes, but linking to that map infers agreement with the idea that hispanic=aztlan and aztlan=hispanic. That simply isn't true.
Now, that's funny right there, I don't care what anybody thinks. ;^)
Maidservant: "Sire, the people illegals are revolting!"
Lois XIV: "I know."
Seriously, let them continue believing in non-historical fantasy lands and that we're all too soft and complacent to defend our sovereignty.
I couldn't devise and implement better PsyOps than they're doing to themselves.
If not on Mecha, and Aztlan web pages, show me where to find the truth that Hispanics are not directly tied to those organizations that want to overthrow the Southwest back to Mexico. Do we have to assume that those web pages, and the Hispanics that write on those sites and their intent don't exist? Are they all liars, and are we to assume those pages to be bogus or fictitious?
LOL, I believe I got that map in an email from Happy2BMe, but he would love that you posted it here!
Well, which is it. Are we anti-war types, or are we just itching to start a war?
I can just envision a bunch of guys, with their camouflage and eye paint at the ready, chomping at the bit to play militia.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611565/posts?page=99#99
Frankly, that post is probably the most inaccurate statement I've ever seen a member of Free Republic make. Some folks might take up arms, but I have yet to see one FReeper who didn't believe that that is an absolute last resort, and only when all else has failed.
Why don't you just get on the ball and tell your representatives in no uncertain terms that they will not get your vote if they do not enforce the laws already in place regarding illegal immigrants?
Or do you believe that a society with more social benefits then we should have already can withstand the strain of all those who are much less fortunate then us in this world?
Hint. That includes pretty much the rest of the world populace.
I'm sure some or all of the writers of those pages are hispanic; but you are failing to see the fallacy of the logic that the map you presented depicts something about Aztlan. It would be as illogical as presenting a map depicting "the rise of neo-nazis in the U.S." and doing so merely by presenting Anglo population statistics.
NOT EVERY HISPANIC THAT MAKES A COUNTY RED OR PINK IS A BELIEVER IN AZTLAN. In fact, I'm convinced that very few are.
However, I can see where those who like things in a simple, straightforward, black & white manner would like to believe it's so in order to not have to think too hard about all of it.
One person didn't appreciate it. They don't believe that Hispanics and that map should be tied to one another. Oh well, I'm sure if they go and spend a week reading Aztlan's web page, they'd change their mind, like fast. Sometimes the truth hurts.Shining Light On The Truth!
That's an understatement in search of a world title. If events hold to their present trend, it will be a blood-bath.
And it will not be confined to merely parts of Texas and California, plus Arizona and New Mexico. Aztlan is not going to be content with that small a territory. They will want all of California and all of the west coast to Vancouver (how far inland I'm not sure). They will demand all of Nevada and at least part of Utah (besides Arizona and New Mexico). Aztlan will want Colorado at least south of Denver; all of Texas; all of Oklahoma; and Kansas, at least to El Dorado, maybe Abilene.
Running east from Texas, Aztlan will demand all of Louisiana (there goes the mouth of the Mississippi, putting all of the upper Midwest at the mercy of Aztlan), and a strip running east through the panhandles of Mississippi and Alabama on into the panhandle of Florida (or maybe all of Florida - what the Hell; might as well while we're at it). At one time, all of the above territory was claimed by Spain, much of it by Mexico, and much of it actually held with varying degrees of firmness at some time or another by one or the other of them, or both. If you believe it is a fantasy to think Aztlan will want 'it all back' then you need to go to DC and consort with the other morons.
I appreciate your words and rhetoric, but you still haven't shown me anything or place, to debunk your point[s] that, that the demographics of that map are not true, or that Aztlan doesn't have the intent to overthrow the Southwest back to Mexico. Again, your argument is with the U.S. Census Bureau and Aztlan! End of argument!
SNIP...
For example, Comanches and Apaches ran rampant in the 1830s in this new power vacuum created by Mexican neglect, burning scores of major ranches that had been around for hundreds of years and massacring their inhabitants.
I don't necessarily agree with this sentence Travis. My family is Comanche on my fathers side and Apache and Comanche on my mother's side.
Mexican Federales murdered members of my family for just being "Indios"...so did Los Pinches Rinches (Texas Rangers).
There are still songs being sung about these times in the Southwest. Someone should really write them all down.
The Mexicans were basically European land owners that stole the land that was inhabited by my ancestors for generations.
I don't care what history you read or what accounts you read I will never believe that my ancestor's killed innocents. It is not what is taught or indwelled in the culture. Killing is for defense and for food. There was a saying that my grandfather once told me that his grandfather told him..."white people are like children." In context what he meant was that White people (Mexican Europeans included) could not be trusted...they kill for sport...and they kill to take things away from you. He was saying that they are undisciplined and selfish.
Now I know this isn't true today...but that was the reality of those times. The land was inhabited and the Mexican land owners with their 400,000 acres tracts of land wanted it all. That is why Indians congregated around the Roman Catholic Missions and took "Christian names." They wanted protection. They eventually assimilated into Mexican-Spanish culture and two hundred years later were Americanized like 13sisters76 wrote.
LOL, I should have known Happy had something to do with that map. Next time you hear from him, tell him it got posted, and if need be, will be posted again.
I have no doubt he lurks here but doesn't mean he will see what we are talking about.
The map is what it is, and you don't have to apologize for anything. If I read your 'tone' right and your intention is to vote to stay Texan and USA, then you will be in the same arena and catching the same flak right along with the rest of us who mean to stay red, white & blue.
Welcome to the club. It could get a little nasty.
Thanks for posting this Travis. It too bad when one side has to make up fairy tales to justify it's assault on our liberties.
Even during the Gold Rush Mexico esported it's criminals a la Joaquin Murrietta.
There are descendants of the holders of the original Spanish grants that would have a precedent over the descendents of the Mayan, Aztec, Toltecs etc that were never here during any recorded history. I believe there are Verdugos still alive and I know of at least one Berryessa.
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