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To: palmer
No negative ones?

Most of the feedback loops are positive. Clouds, a major factor, are uncertain. The ultimate effect of clouds is dependent not only on whether cloud cover increases or decreases, but on what kind of cloud cover increases or decreases (i.e., low cumulus or high cirrus, etc.)

11 posted on 04/07/2006 12:20:57 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

Many clouds such as the cirrus clouds blown off from thunderstorms to the west of me, are not in the model. They are cooling my locale. Cooling in any locale without corresponding warming in another will result in model bias. Models are not so much "uncertain" as they are biased towards warming. The only way to believe that increased water vapor does not cause more cooling clouds is to leave them out of the climate model.


13 posted on 04/07/2006 12:25:53 PM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: cogitator
I very seriously doubt that "most of the feedback loops are positive".

Weather for the most part in the last couple of thousand years has been remarkably stable.
21 posted on 04/07/2006 2:01:57 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: cogitator
Most of the feedback loops are positive.

Nonsense. Systems where positive feedback dominate blow up.

42 posted on 04/10/2006 11:11:06 AM PDT by edsheppa
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