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To: XJarhead
? That's a false analogy because you're rewarding the exact same person who will engage in future violations. Your analogy also contains no additional disincentive for the person to engage in that conduct. That's not the case with amnesty for illegal aliens.

No, it's not false. A group of people, similarly situated, observe and process and make decisions based upon what happened to others in their similar circumstances. Rules/laws are in place to allow for punishment when they're broken. The psychology behind this is two-fold: 1) to allow for punishment, directly, to the law-breaker; and 2) to act as a DETERRENT to others. Role modeling means something. When enforcement of laws/rules are consistently applied to the few who break them, it acts as a deterrent to those who may be THINKING about doing it themselves.

One small virtue to amnesty is that it would create a better database to control present and future immigration. Right now, illegals go to all length to avoid immigration authorities.

And they will CONTINUE to break more laws, whether providing fraudulent documents or going further out of the clutches of INS....what illegal alien within the U.S., who is a criminal element within their native country, would ever out themselves to the INS?

1,279 posted on 04/06/2006 2:21:52 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: nicmarlo
When enforcement of laws/rules are consistently applied to the few who break them, it acts as a deterrent to those who may be THINKING about doing it themselves.

You've admitted yourself that that current laws aren't enforced anyway. So by your own logic, the status quo is unacceptable.

If you want an analogy, here it is. You caught your 4 year old taking cookies, and want to punish him because cookies aren't good for him. But your soft-hearted spouse doesn't agree, and says that a four year old is going to take them if they're there. And unfortunately, like Congress, if you and your spouse don't agree, no punishment can work.

So you compromise. You agree you won't spank the 4 year old, and she agrees not to bring any more cookies in the house. Now whether or not the 4 year old gets the message on the cookies really doesn't matter, because there won't be any cookies in the house anyway. By the same token, the "message" you send to more illegals with an amnesty doesn't mean squat if it becomes much harder to cross the border in the first place.

And they will CONTINUE to break more laws, whether providing fraudulent documents or going further out of the clutches of INS....what illegal alien within the U.S., who is a criminal element within their native country, would ever out themselves to the INS?

"All illegal aliens who register by July 1, 2006, and can show that they were present in the U.S. on or before July 1, 2004, will be eligible for amnesty and issued a "blue card. Any illegal found not to have registered by July 1, 2006 will be deported."

So the answer to your question probably is "almost all of them". Any illegal who qualifies and did not register prior to July 1 is an idiot, because they've just thrown away their one chance to remain here legally, and for good.

1,324 posted on 04/06/2006 2:36:01 PM PDT by XJarhead
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