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A Weed, a Fly, a Mouse and a Chain of Unintended Consequences
NY Times ^ | April 4, 2006 | JIM ROBBINS

Posted on 04/03/2006 8:16:19 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 04/03/2006 8:16:21 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I would think the snake population would be on the increase as well then.


2 posted on 04/03/2006 8:19:18 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: neverdem

Who knew such cute little things as deer mice could be so deadly?


3 posted on 04/03/2006 8:19:24 PM PDT by coydog (Cowardice does not make you safe. It makes you a safe target. - - Dale Amon)
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To: neverdem

I don't know, neverdem ... it's like ... go back in time, step on a twig and break it, and I would never be bo


4 posted on 04/03/2006 8:22:03 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: neverdem
It isn't mentioned why knapweed is so nasty - it produces a toxin that causes fatal liver damage in grazing animals, not just cattle and horses but wild ones as well, elk being notably susceptible. It's a foreign, invasive species that can be treated chemically but it looked for a time like biological control was fairly innocuous.

As the Times points out there are unintended consequences. Ecology is a science of complex systems. But they didn't go quite far enough in analysis - a burgeoning mouse population is met by an increase in natural predators - coyotes, wolves, bobcats, hawks, etc. If they're allowed. Some of these find the livestock that was the original motivation for eradicating knapweed right tasty. Welcome to the real wild world. We can affect it but I don't think we can really manage it, not this way, at least.

5 posted on 04/03/2006 8:26:50 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: coydog
Who knew such cute little things as deer mice could be so deadly?

A lot of us in the Southwest know.

6 posted on 04/03/2006 8:28:24 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: bnelson44

"I would think the snake population would be on the increase as well then."

Snakes are reptiles and hibernate during winter, usually in holes/caves below the frost line.

ESA has become make work for biologists. Time to cut it out.


7 posted on 04/03/2006 8:30:01 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: neverdem

This is the farmer sowing his corn,
That kept the cock that crowed in the morn,
That waked the priest all shaven and shorn,
That married the man all tattered and torn,
That kissed the maiden all forlorn,
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn,
That tossed the dog,
That worried the cat,
That killed the rat,
That ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.

--Ecological consequences.


8 posted on 04/03/2006 8:31:13 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem

Don't forget the Kutzu!


9 posted on 04/03/2006 8:32:16 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (I defend the right to offend!)
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To: GladesGuru

Well come Spring time the snakes will have a feast :)


10 posted on 04/03/2006 8:32:18 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Billthedrill

Thanks for the follow-up!


11 posted on 04/03/2006 8:33:03 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

In upstate NY, We have a problem with purple loosestrife taking over everywhere. They are think about releasing a beetle to take care of it. If they do, I hope mice don't find them tasty.

The only way to really get rid of this stuff is to bring back the chain gangs, have prisioners go around and yank this stuff out.


12 posted on 04/03/2006 8:34:07 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Cicero

I was thinking of the King and the mouse

King has mouse
King gets cats to chase away mouse
King gets dogs to chase away cats
King gets Elephant to chase away dogs
King gets mouse to chase away elephant


13 posted on 04/03/2006 8:34:23 PM PDT by Laz711 (The Barbarians are in Rome)
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To: qam1
The only way to really get rid of this stuff is to bring back the chain gangs, have prisioners go around and yank this stuff out.

Five will get you ten that the typical ACLU attorney could, inside 15 minutes, find a federal judge that would rule such a practice "unconstitutional".

14 posted on 04/03/2006 8:40:53 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: neverdem
One of the secret 'bodies" at Roswell?


15 posted on 04/03/2006 8:51:52 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: Laz711

the cheese stands alone,
the cheese stands alone,
Hi ho duh derrio,
the cheese stands alone.


16 posted on 04/03/2006 9:08:37 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: qam1

Some little tachinid fly was released to control the gypsy moth caterpillar. Unfortunately the fly has two generations a year - luna moth, cecropias, also prey.

Mrs VS


17 posted on 04/03/2006 9:08:49 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: knarf
...go back in time, step on a twig and break it...

A great story by Ray Bradbury. "A Sound of Thunder".

I hear they made a movie of it.

Although, from the trailers, it doesn't look a lot like Bradbury's original story...which was great.
Did I say that already?

18 posted on 04/03/2006 9:16:01 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Pain is nothing. Pain is weakness leaving the body.)
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To: Cicero
Or...."Chad Gad Yo".
A traditional song sung at the first Seder each Passover.

One little goat, one little goat,
That my father bought for two zuzim.
One little goat, one little goat.

Then came a cat and ate the goat
That my father bought for two zuzim.
One little goat, one little goat.

Then came a dog and bit the cat,
That ate the goat
That my father bought for two zuzim.
One little goat, one little goat.

Then came a stick and beat the dog,
That bit the cat
That ate the goat
That my father bought for two zuzim.
One little goat, one little goat.

Then came a fire and burned the stick
That beat the dog
That bit the cat
That ate the goat
That my father bought for two zuzim.
One little goat, one little goat.

Then came the water and quenched the fire,
That burned the stick
That beat the dog
That bit the cat
That ate the goat
That my father bought for two zuzim.
One little goat, one little goat.

Then came an ox and drank the water,
That quenched the fire
That burned the stick
That beat the dog
That bit the cat
That ate the goat
That my father bought for two zuzim.
One little goat, one little goat.

Then came a shohet and slaughtered the ox,
That drank the water that quenched the fire
That burned the stick that beat the dog
That bit the cat that ate the goat
That my father bought for two zuzim.
One little goat, one little goat.

Then came the angel of death and killed the shohet,
That slaughtered the ox that drank the water
That quenched the fire that burned the stick
That beat the dog that bit the cat
That ate the goat
That my father bought for two zuzim.
One little goat, one little goat.

Then came the Holy One, blessed be He,
And slew the angel of death,
That killed the shohet that slaughtered the ox
That drank the water that quenched the fire
That burned the stick that beat the dog
That bit the cat that ate the goat
That my father bought for two zuzim.
One little goat, one little goat.

19 posted on 04/03/2006 9:24:30 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Pain is nothing. Pain is weakness leaving the body.)
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To: coydog

Deer mice can also contribute to the spread of Lyme Disease, IIRC.


20 posted on 04/03/2006 9:26:22 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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