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Boy Suspended For Carrying Knife Into School (He turned it in, still getting expelled)
The Indy Channel ^ | April 3, 2006 | Ap

Posted on 04/03/2006 10:02:15 AM PDT by Abathar

INDIANAPOLIS -- A school principal in Indianapolis suspended an eighth-grader for 10 days and recommended he be expelled for carrying a pocket knife, even though the boy said he had forgotten the weapon was in his coat pocket and turned it over to school officials as soon as he entered the building.

An expulsion hearing has been scheduled for April 10.

Elliot Voge, 14, told Stoneybrook Middle School principal Jimmy Meadows he forgot that he had left the Swiss Army knife in his pocket after using it to whittle wood last month. The next day, just after he was dropped off at school by a classmate's mother, he said he discovered the knife in his coat and immediately went to the office.

Nevertheless, Meadows suspended him and recommended expulsion. The action stunned the boy's parents, who hired a lawyer to represent him at the hearing next week.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: zerotolerance
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To: Always Right
I was referring to the principal.

Pro-noun trouble -- it seems I was not clear, my apologies for causing your confusion.

161 posted on 04/03/2006 12:16:55 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Froggie

Cannot recall there ever being a problem with knives in our schools until the race 'wars' of the late 60's early 70's.

Even then they didn't ban them, as far as i recall.

I never saw one pulled out at school except to play that game where you'd try to throw the knife into the ground between the other person's feet, and they'd have to move one or the other foot to the knife if it stuck (in the ground). first one to chicken out 'lost'. What was the name of that game?

oh, the good old barlow.....

Oh, btw, glad to see sbmom and tlb8z 'kissed and made up' (they did didn't they?)


162 posted on 04/03/2006 12:22:26 PM PDT by jbp1 (be nice now)
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To: SoftballMominVA

OK, it was confusing, I thought something was not right. Anyways to me, it all comes down to the pride. The school had a policy of expulsion for a firearm. The principal took it a lot further himself, writing letters to parents what he would do if a weapon was brought to school. Instead of recognizing the extraodinary circumstances in this case and just slapping the students wrists, the Principal's pride took over. The Principal put his pride above the future of a very bright young kid who would never do anything wrong. It is just asinine.


163 posted on 04/03/2006 12:23:01 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: wbill
"Finding good in the principal" was never my approach. I have said that if everything is as it is reported, I hope the principal is reprimanded/punished and the student is compensated for damages. My whole point from the get-go has to do with my distrust of any form of media. How many times does something like this get reported and then *wham* the very next day or week the rest of the story comes out. (In this case, there are 2 separate reports, so it is more likely the truth is being told here.)

The media is out there to make money--not to report the news. If this type of article sells more papers, then they are happy. If people write letters to the editor, then the owners are even more pleased. This generates publicity and sells papers and makes money.

I take the WaPo in the AM--their list of corrections can sometimes take up half a page. But no one notices that--they notice the first article, the first impression. I try to be analytical in reading any type of report and always keep in mind what is the true mission of a paper--to make money.

164 posted on 04/03/2006 12:34:22 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Always Right
The Principal put his pride above the future of a very bright young kid who would never do anything wrong.

It's not about pride. It's about sadism. Using Erich Fromm's definition of sadism, as "the wish for absolute control over another living being", the punishment clearly shows the principal to be a sadist who gets his jollies by punishing others.
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165 posted on 04/03/2006 12:34:22 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Man, if I went to that school I would have been either ran out on a rail or so welted by a ruler I couldn't write my homework. I believe in sending your kid down the right path, but good grief that is almost as bad sounding as some Islamic schools over in Saudi land.


166 posted on 04/03/2006 12:42:00 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: Eagle Eye

I read that link you posted, unbelieveable.


167 posted on 04/03/2006 12:49:27 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: Abathar

And they have a class in Bible thumping, too.

Seriously...every few weeks a new crew mans the street corners waving Bibles and carrying placcards and banners.


168 posted on 04/03/2006 12:50:42 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Dacus943

Boys carried swiss army knives from about 5th grade on up when I was in school. Many were Boy Scouts and nobody thought it was unusual. I remember girls had small folding pocket knives in their purses, no one thought of these as weapons, they're knives FGS! In middle and high school the administration was only concerned with kids who carried switch blades. Carrying a switch blade pretty much got you expelled.


169 posted on 04/03/2006 12:54:04 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: Eagle Eye
I just read both your link and the link to the school. I would never send my kid there, even if it was free. Next time I get down that way I should walk around campus and drop a couple of old copies of "The Divinci Code" and see what happens when they get picked up...
170 posted on 04/03/2006 1:02:12 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: Abathar
the boy said he had forgotten the weapon was in his coat pocket

Just what is it that made the pocket knife a "weapon"? I assume that the principle has a penis. Does that make the principle a rapist just because of the potential?

171 posted on 04/03/2006 1:17:54 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: El Gato

That's what the metal detectors at schools are for.


172 posted on 04/03/2006 1:39:49 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Abathar
The boy did the right thing - and he forgot he brought the knife with him. And this what zero tolerance amounts to - punishing our children not for wrongdoing but for being good citizens. Yeah, now there's example to teach them!

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

173 posted on 04/03/2006 1:44:12 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Hegemony Cricket
This reminds me of a funny, self-deprecating story told by my high-school principal. He said, "When I started in education as a teacher, I was given a bag of marbles. Everytime I made a mistake, they took one of them away. When I lost all my marbles, they made me principal!"

Yours is my favorite post. Too funny!

174 posted on 04/03/2006 1:57:56 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are familiar bedfellows)
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To: demkicker

Golly, thanks! You would have had to know this guy for it to have full impact. 99.9% of the time he was extremely serious, but those occassions when he slipped a little humor in, he was very, very funny.

I do have to think that he would have handled this situation in a totally different, very rational way. In general, the people who got in 'big' trouble (i.e. Suspended or Expelled) at my school were the ones who truly deserved it, and most of the kids would agree with the punishment. That, to me, is what defines effective discipline. Fairness, not just being as heavy-handed as you can possibly be.


175 posted on 04/03/2006 2:10:36 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Rage is the fuel that powers the islamic machine)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

The day when Zero Tollerance became inacted in public schools was the death of common sense, IMO.

Most of my friends are teachers and are either retired or on the brink of retirement. Some are sensitive to the bashing that public schools get because they are truly dedicated and do the best they can under the insane rules. I'm so glad mine are grown, but it makes me sick to see the utter failure public schools have become. So, it's good to have a laugh every now and then and I thank you for providing one.


176 posted on 04/03/2006 2:23:27 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are familiar bedfellows)
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To: luckystarmom
That's what the metal detectors at schools are for.

If you think the little gang bangers and wanna be gang bangers can't figure out how to get a knife, or a gun, around the detectors, you don't know kids very well.

Besides which, unlike the case with firearms, there are knives that are completely undetectable by metal detectors.

177 posted on 04/03/2006 3:08:25 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: ArrogantBustard
Unfortunately, there are lots of gang members in the schools these days,

That's a software problem, not a hardware problem.

Kick the bloody gan'stas out. Schools are for learning to read write and cipher. Anybody not interested in such can go elsewhere.

They can't do that by gov't fiat via the "No Child Left Behind" policy. A plan that yokes those with the desire and ability to learn to those without either of those attributes. Guess who loses out in that scenario. Thanks Georgie-boy.

178 posted on 04/03/2006 4:04:07 PM PDT by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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To: Abathar

Every educrat is a thug.


179 posted on 04/03/2006 4:43:13 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: MosesKnows
"I assume that the principle has a penis. Does that make the principle a rapist just because of the potential?"

LOL!!! No, however silly judgments by this principal makes it easy to call him a dick-head!

180 posted on 04/03/2006 6:46:05 PM PDT by Dacus943
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