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The Left Needs More Socialism
The Nation ^ | 4/1/06 | Ronald Aronson

Posted on 04/03/2006 4:05:12 AM PDT by jalisco555

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To: LegendHasIt
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41 posted on 04/03/2006 6:43:42 AM PDT by Illuminatas (Being conservative means never having to say; "Don't you dare question my patriotism")
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To: goldstategop

Oldie but outstanding. Posted for those who may have never read these.

Walter Williams
Socialim is evil part 1
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1252930/posts

Socialim is evil part 2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1192981/posts


42 posted on 04/03/2006 6:52:08 AM PDT by listenhillary (The original Contract with America - The U.S. Constitution)
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To: jalisco555
Go ahead and praise Socialism, make sure you include many pictures of Socialism's heroes such as Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro, Chavez, Pol Pot ......
43 posted on 04/03/2006 8:01:16 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: jalisco555
My guess would be that the author is another upper-middle class Ivory Tower liberal who knows absolutely nothing about the real working world.

I'm sure he means Socialism with someone else's money.

44 posted on 04/03/2006 8:12:11 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: goldstategop
Do we want to end up like them? I don't think so.

Well said. The true evil of Socialism is that it is contrary to human nature. That's why it can only be imposed by force.

45 posted on 04/03/2006 9:19:16 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: ken5050
I know it's "The Nation" but the piece is dated April 1st...Ya think????

Every article ever appearing in The Nation reads like it was written on April 1.

46 posted on 04/03/2006 10:05:48 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jalisco555

To test a new drug, a homogeneous sample of people is divided into 2 groups -- one group gets the new drug, one doesn't. The same can be done with an economic system, take a peninsula, (oh, say, Korea) divide it in half, impose socialism on half and capitalism on half and wait 50 years. Here is a statement from the Jan 22 2006 Parade Magazine list of worst dictators..."According to the United Nations World Food Program, the average 7-year-old boy in North Korea is almost 8 inches shorter than a South Korean boy the same age and more than 20 pounds lighter." Nothing says it better.

Socialism doesn't work because there is no basic human motivation to work anonymously for the good of the community.


47 posted on 04/03/2006 10:39:09 AM PDT by Aegedius (Veni, vidi, icked-kay utt-bay.)
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To: jalisco555
Oh, I think they're serious enough about it. Old illusions refuse to die.

Yet the real Marxism, although no longer embodied in movements or governments, has never been truer or more relevant...

They'll never give it up. In point of fact Marx was mistaken in nearly every aspect of his predictive sociology and historiography - the proletariat did not experience increasing illiteracy and alienation, but the opposite, the capitalists did not experience decreasing profit, but the opposite - I could go on and on. Much of this took place during Marx's lifetime and explains a good deal of why the second volume of Capital is so different from the 1848 Manifesto.

"Equality" to such an ideologist refers to an equal distribution of material goods. An unequal distribution is his or her definition of "injustice." In practice such an equality is impossible to maintain even if sufficient theft to accomplish it is accepted. It is impossible to accomplish in the absence of central economic control, which itself lends toward inequalities. It does move the superior possession of material goods from one class to another in theory; in practice one class simply becomes another.

Worse, the idea of managing a factory with workers' soviets was the first thing Lenin tried when the Bolsheviks took over and the first thing he discarded when it and other policies dictated by theoretical Marxism resulted in real-world economic disaster. The upshot was the New Economic Policy of 1921. I quote Lenin on the topic:

But such a policy would be foolish because such a policy is economically impossible. It would be suicidal because the party that tried to apply such a policy would meet with inevitable disaster. We need not conceal from ourselves the fact that some Communists sinned.... in this respect . . . We shall try to rectify these mistakes . . . otherwise things will come to a very sorry state. A wise Communist will not be afraid of learning from a capitalist... (Ref.: Robert V. Daniels, A Documentary History of Communism, Vol. 1, pp. 213-16)

True socialists don't learn from history because they insist on denying it or explaining it away with the old wheezer "true socialism has never been tried." What is actually happening in places in South America is an envy-based populism that attempts redistribution of material goods and simultaneously maintenance of the capitalist entities (but not capitalist control) that generated the surplus being redistributed. It is in many respects Lenin's NEP all over again. That didn't work and never has.

48 posted on 04/03/2006 11:10:28 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: jalisco555
Socialism = Slavery by government..

Socialist = Democrat or BIG government republican(RINO)..

Social Nurosis = Democracy which is the source of socialism..
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Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.- Karl Marx

49 posted on 04/03/2006 11:16:35 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I agree --- By the way, G.K. Chesterton, the Catholic conservative writer, advocated a form of capitalism called "distributism". This philosophy encouraged individuals to have their own small businesses, and groups to form co-operatives. Distributism was never intended as a system to be administered from the top (ala socialism or communism), but rather as a voluntary movement, from the bottom.

As Chesterton wrote: "The problem with capitalism is not too many capitalists, but too few captialists."

The opportunity to invest our own money as we choose might go a long way toward Chesterton's ideal of increasing the number of captialists.

I would much rather have the choice to invest my money, than be forced into the social security program.


50 posted on 04/03/2006 5:43:08 PM PDT by griffmorpho
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To: jalisco555

The People's Socialist Democracy of San Francisco forges on! The application of Marxist-Leninist principles to city government has resulted in:

1. Vagrants everywhere! The streets are filled with drunken bums, crackheads, junkies. Not just in the Tenderloin, either. Everywhere...except Dianne Feinstein's front yard.

2. One of the least efficient public transport systems in North America. Go Muni...maybe...

3. A flagrant disregard for the Second Amendment, and for the average citizen's natural right of self-defense. Says Communist S.F. supervisor Chris Daly: "If I'm in trouble, I'll just call the police." The socialist mentality hard at work.

Ever read George Orwell's classic novel "1984"? San Francisco today more closely resembles Anthony Burgess's "1985" --- a nightmare socialist England where labor unions control all, mosques outnumber churches --- and borders, language and tradition mean nothing.


51 posted on 04/04/2006 6:01:16 AM PDT by griffmorpho
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