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To: Alia; Sabertooth
Let's do some simple math here: You say the President is NOT protecting our borders?

"Simple" Math like the 20-to-30 million illegal alien squatters in the U.S. today?"

WHADDYA THINK THE WOT IS?

It appears to be a war to make the world safe for globalism.

So far, it appears to be a narrow response to the direct and immediate threat to our commercial interests of Al-Queda and its Ally, Saddam. The evidence was overwhelming, despite the 9/11 Commission's ambiguity on the issue, that Saddam was involved, thickly aiding and abetting Osama Bin Laden. A lot of the new document dumps corroborate the tie-ins. From WMD Training, to Plane hijacking, at Salman Pak. But most tellingly, their secret service network. Which was absolutely crucial to abetting the success of the 9-11 operation. Stuff that the President would not, and could not allow to be mentioned by Colin Powell at the U.N. or by anyone else in the know. I surmise this is because it would burn our information sources. Some of them foreign governments still relied upon by Al-Queda...possibly the UAE?

Iraq, once Saddam had been toppled, and he had been captured, was then left with a provisional government which didn't want to govern. Remember the old story of the highest nail? It's the one that gets pounded first. But we couldn't just leave it, and let Al-Queda make Iraq its new H.Q. So we have tried to make the best of it, and recast the middle east by introducing something frankly alien to their religion. A religion which explicitly endorses despotism.

So we have been stuck there waiting interminably for the Iraqis to form a constitution (which sucks, frankly) and then a body of representatives, and then a central unified leadership. To no avail. As can be seen with Straw and Rice finally descending on Baghdad...

It is a noble effort, and we don't want to see our efforts...and the sacrifices of our soldiers...go in vain. We must not lose. But that means getting a whole lot tougher with the Sunnis. It's time to get Michael Savage on their butts, to be blunt. Time to vaporize some Sunni towns. The Sunnis need to know they were CONQUERED and they will then react accordingly pursuant their own religion.

Meanwhile, Long-range diplomacy to deal with the breeding grounds of Al-Queda are currently in a stagnant mode. Nothing is being done about Western Pakistan and the Saudi...and UAE... funding of the Madrassas.

If not protecting our citizens and our borders.

This is not full protection. It is distincly a filtered, blindered kind of protection. There is nothing wrong with going after the nests of the snakes. But actually do it. Don't play patsy with them. And don't fail to use sufficient force. We cannot be an army of occupation forever. And so when did going abroad ever mean we should leave the back door open? We didn't in World War II. And its a good thing we didn't. The Nazi's did send in trained saboteuers. You do know, don't you, that we have only captured a fractional amount, a percentage of the known Al-Queda-trained agents into this country? Still waiting in sleeper mode for the operational go-ahead of an assignment. And they have been reinforced right through the deliberately-porous, unenforced Southern Border. As Laura Ingraham has said, and did just this morning, it is willful malfeasance by the executive branch to refuse to make that border secure. And then there is the still-larger issues of maintaining our sovereignty as a nation, let alone as a nation under the rule of law, as Ronald Reagan always said, "A country which does not control its own borders, soon won't be one."

Must be kinda cozy in that fishbowl you are living in, eh?

So we get back to the "Simple" Math of the 20-to-30 million illegal alien squatters in the U.S. today. The culture of lawlessness promoted by those at the top is directly responsible for this. And they want to keep doing more of the same. As any conservative will tell you, if you don't change what you're doing, is get more of the same. McCain-Kennedy/Bush promises to just do more of the same...and do a reprise of the 1986 Amnesty...where none of the promised enforcement actually happened. The same corruption which prevented clean enforcement in the first place, will conveniently prevent those aspects from happening.

If the globalist 'world citizens' defying their oathes of office (bipartisanly, eh?) can successfully 'manage' the fire-storm of national righteous indignation at the betrayal, and extort an uninvited 'guest worker' program into the mix, the enforcement will then never happen. At least that is transparently their game plan.

Protect the Borders FIRST. THEN, we'll talk.

202 posted on 04/04/2006 8:50:46 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: Paul Ross
You think the WOT terror is:

... a war to make the world safe for globalism.

Tommyrot.

That the world is made safer and because terrorism is being halted does not justify your comment.

I've just finished reading the remainder of your post: You are without a doubt clueless about macroeconomics, the economics of your own country's wellbeing, and lastly, you are of an isolationist ideology.

You and I might both agree that the illegal immigrancy NEEDS MAJOR REFORM: But I believe our grounds for discourse go no further, in this matter. Going step by step through your post would require that I provide you with an education.

But perhaps you do indeed have a higher education; it's just your ideology which is so narrow. Your lens.

I know Michael Savage. :) Like him, too.

However, you and others might need reminding that sitting aloft and afar calling the shots is far different from actually standing in the position in charge of calling those shots.

When Judge Phaelzer rescinded the will of the people in re Prop 187 (repealing benefits to illegals), the hue and cry from people was angry. The loudest cries came from those who beat the drums for an insurrection -- "Take out the Dems: Somebody arrest them!" The answer was: And who might you think has the power to actually do this thing?

Next what was heard was: "Those Chicken*()& Republicans should charge in there and kick the Dem Butts!"

Here's where the rub is: We pay those elected to office to represent us. Some voters mistakenly believe it means that those elected become our proxy acting on orders at all times. Getting elected to office requires no small skill. Had, say, Republicans done what angry voters said to do? Those Republicans would have been arrested, and nothing would have been changed about the specific matter of 187.

Sitting in an armchair deciding what would be "personally most gratifying" does require much skill at all. It requires a will; but not necessarily skill or knowledge. And "saying" what you would do or would not do, is.. cheap. It requires no proof as to your assertion or intent to carry anything out.

And if you really think our military and our military leaders are playing "patsy" with the enemy over in Iraq and Afghanistan, I've got some black bands I wear on my wrists that would shame you to your core.

There's a reason we are winning the war. And because "hothead" and cheap-shot generals or CIC aren't running it. We've got the best running this War and Our Country.

Yes, we do need to deal with the issue of Illegal Immigration. Far past time. But your blathering on equating our military with fighting a false "war" damns you.

Why don't you just come-on our and say what I perceive you are saying: "Pull our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and place them on the border." And because your entire, well written, opinions surround that very thought. Comes through loud and clear.

211 posted on 04/04/2006 3:52:12 PM PDT by Alia
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