Posted on 03/31/2006 12:13:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
Fact:Hospitals in Southern Ca are closing or have closed because the influx of ILLEGALS have overloaded the system. Fact:The majority of ILLEGALS do NOT pay income taxes. Fact: Most ILLEGALS rent houses with multiple families living in them so you can't even say they pay a fair share of property taxes through rent payments. There many other facts that support the FACT we need to get the ILLEGAL aliens, regardless of country of origin, out of the US. Oh, yes, I won't even mention the terrorist threat, why bother since appologist such as yourself don't seem to give a flying F**k if more Americans are blown to hell because we leave our southern border open to all comers.
Some of you just won't stop. Here let me fix it for you so can stop beating that straw man:
anti-ILLEGAL immigration
There, now that we defined terms, argue away.
I would even be suspicious of the stats suggesting crime is lower. Alot of crime goes unreported since people see that nothing is ever done.
susie
There is a principle that trumps the statistics from both sides, and that is our country's sovereign right to get rid of anyone we have not invited in.
I take it this means Tony & you are at odds, since you proposed in your essay 'Antz' cutting off the incentives that draw the illegals here, while Tony believes the more the merrier.
So if we call you, and others like you, apologist assholes the term is in context and you won't object?
thank yoouuu!!!
Legal vs illegal. Legal vs illegal. Legal vs illegal.
Can't we just place some C-4 along the border? or perhaps bombblast a really, really deep trench about 600 feet wide? They can't cross it, can't build a tunnel through it...The only place available to cross would be the legitimate border... wouldn't cost as much as erecting a wall...
Fine immigration attorneys who aid and abet the illegals by not reporting them...
Look at it from a historical perspective. Not much different than calling someone a democrat or republican.
What was the name of a large, popular political party in the mid-1800's? It had legs 'til the Civil War broke out, and a bunch of Irish made the ultimate sacrifice for the North.
When was the last time a Mexican attacked America? I worry much more about letting Muslims into our country but none of our great leaders seem to think that's a problem. The religion of peace. Yeah, right.
There's also the question of whether there is such a high proportion of illegals, because there's no alternative except to keep them in prison -- unlike American criminals, who get parole at relatively high rates. Perhaps it's just a "filter" effect.
Tony Snow---whig.
I remember when the GOP once had an electoral lock on the Presidency because of California. That's now gone. You cannot p!$$ off an entire large block of the electorate and expect to go on winning elections. This is politics 101. President Bush did better in 2004 than 2000 because of the Hispanic vote. Now you people are threatening to destroy all that. And if you do, we will have to wait at least a generation or more to get it back. Again, this is a political trainwreck waiting to happen, just as it did in 1992.
I'm in favor of maintaining a country that upholds the great American ideal that "All men are equal under the eyes of the law". In terms of immigration - No special treatment based on country of origin.
That is rational debate. It's hard to disagree with your statement.
The article simply notes that the statistics are not as dire as the anti-immigrant crowd wants us to believe. In other words, let's be judicious and pragmatic about this issue, instead of acting like Chicken Little.
The fundamental flaw in illegals/immigrants "saving" Social Security argument is that these idiots forget that it is a proven medical fact that even immigrants do get old! Then we have to fork out a far greater number of SS checks than we would have had to do otherwise.
H - e - l - l - o - o - o....
My post, with a supporting IRS link, exposes this assertion as conjecture. You are welcome to research the federal and state taxation entities for raw data and statistical breakdowns of compliance rates for ITIN filings. The "illegal" aspect that is highlighted by many anti-immigration people here boils down to whether a person is a W-2 serf, a 1099 contractor, or a W-7 filing alien. This distinction feeds upon the emotions of the people that are in those classifications. Some are so bold as to propose mandatory citizenship requests, so as to swell the ranks of the W-2 group. And with respect to social security, it is a cradle to grave welfare program. Many staunch conservatives believe in privatization and opt-out rights. Those here that are opposed to immigration are simply advocating protection of a welfare program that big-spending government has over-leveraged. We should consider carefully whether we want our legislative body to make any filing status a felony offense.
Secure the borders!!!! Then we'll discuss amnesty.
Oh! And there is no-way I will vote for McCain, for anything.
And they do intersect, rather significantly. I've personally known many Mexican immigrants who fit that description, and I'm sure at least some were illegals -- I never asked.
It's difficult for me to place nice, hard-working folks who're looking for a better life -- into the same classification as drug dealers and gang-bangers. Call me names if you'd like, but they're not the same sort of "criminal."
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