Posted on 03/31/2006 7:53:24 AM PST by RS
"Sen. Dianne Feinstein said yesterday that it would be pointless to couple the legalization of immigrants with a crackdown on U.S. employers who hire unauthorized workers.
“I don't think it makes any sense,” Feinstein said. Federal immigration officials, she noted, have backed off in the past when faced with opposition in communities where work sites are disrupted. "
“What has been shown is that employer sanctions don't work,” Feinstein said.
“You go into a field and you cite an agricultural grower, and the whole community erupts because everybody knows that grower has to harvest his crop or the crops lie dead and dormant,” she said. “So the employer sanctions program has been basically unenforceable.”
(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...
You mean the SS number for Juan Gomez?
Everything is wonderful while all 40 are paying in. The trouble will come when 80 try to collect.
and this coming from a Senator that supports outsourcing Senate seats to China or the highest bidder.
Probably not. The perp will probably just say she was one digit off and turn in another fake SS#.
Really? Hmmmm? As I recall one must be an adult to receive benefit checks. Do you have credible documented evidence to the contrary?
Now, about what growers pay ~ Capitalism suggests that a laborer is worth his hire ~ hey the Bible says that too.
I realize that I'm new here and a bit slow but could you please show me where I ever suggested that workers not get paid?
So, let them try paying enough to attract Americans to do this work.
I can assure you that if "Americans" stop receiving welfare checks to sit on their laurels and to watch Oprah and make babies then they will find the money that the growers are paying the Mexicans to be enough. I mean the Mexicans have no problems with the amount of money they are making and you know why? Because they don't have to pay all the ungodly taxes Americans have to pay in order to pay for lazy Americans to sit on their rears and watch Oprah.
I stand by my point... get rid of welfare and you will get rid of the illegal invasion of our country.
BTW, my sympathies are really not with the growers who used illegal aliens at substandard wages to drive my farmer ancestors off their land.
Hmmmmm??? My family still has it's farm. We have owned it for over 150 years. We also own a ranch and no, we don't hire illegals. In fact we work our tails off to simply get the Boarder Patrol to our ranch just to pick em up and take them away.
Look muawiyah I'm not here to fight with you. I am simply expressing my point of view. An opinion that I believe is based in fact. Last I recall you too are intitled to your opinion. In a free society I believe we are each entitled to such are we not?
I take issue with that 11 million number. I heard that the number is more like 20 million illegals. There were 3 million in 1986 when the Immigration Reform and Control Act was passed supposedly to stop the illegal immigration problem. You do the math.
I'm sure that like in 1986, some ineffectual, feel-good immigration bill will be passed that will not even be enforced.
" If there were a LEGAL GUEST WORKER PROGRAM that allowed these employers to hire LEGAL temporary labor, ...."
Why the legal guest worker program at all ?
That question should be a totally seperate issue, that should be addressed only after the hiring of illegals has stopped and the businesses find themselves with a massive labor shortage that simply cannot be filled with American workers.
It might even convince Feinstein that continually raising the minimum wage is counter-productive, as it will reach a point where these growers cannot afford to hire legal workers and sell their product to compete with imports.
"Fining employers thousands of dollars per worker per offense doesn't sound like it would do anything to me. Heck, just add the fines to your product costs."
Fines hell, put them in prison would send a good message and illegal employment would cease very quickly.
With no jobs they would have to go back to wherever they came from.
"the American populace won't agree to killing infiltrators"
Maybe you won't but I sure will and so will a lot of people I know.
Back to the pay issue ~ if it costs $100 an hour to get an American to do a certain kind of job, but you can get an illegal to do it for $50, and you go out and hire one, that means that you are not paying an honest and moral price for the job.
Nothing simpler than that.
I believe it. They get fake numbers, they get numbers from people who died, they get numbers from people who had real numbers but retired, or returned to their home countries, or just use the same number as someone else... All they do is tell their employer they are the name of the person with that number. Their real name could be Esteban but they will happily allow you call them Carlos for a job.
Since the numbers are all in the format 555-55-5555, using fakes there are probably lots of duplicates. But how does the IRS/SS office know which one is real? They don't fingerprint you or take a photo. Some people have 2 jobs, so the IRS doesn't know.
And if you do get caught, so what? You say "Oh, I must've been confused. I lost my card years ago and forgot the number" or "Oh, sorry I gave you my brothers card by mistake, let me go see if I can find mine".
Because the SS card is not meant to be used as a form of ID, it doesn't matter and is likely not-enforceable.
It doesn't get any simpler than that. ;-)
Peace be with you. I'll not respond to you any further.
Thx!
They should base the fines on a percentage of the gross revenues of the offending company - say 1/2% per violation.
Sort of like jailing the drug dealers and letting the users off with a slap on the wrist?
"The Social Security office sometimes doesn't even notify the employer that the SS number is fake for years"
That wasn't the cae 30 or so years ago when there was a $50 penalty for making an error in name or SS# on a report but the illegal alien crowd in Washington put a halt to it.
The SS adminastration has the capacity to enforce the law if they will only do it.
Here is a list from different sources with their guesses.
December 2003 -- President George W. Bush and then Secretary of Homeland Security, Tom Ridge, used a figure of "8-12 million" illegal aliens. (No link.)
September 2004 -- a report (Who Left the Door Open?), in Time magazine used an estimation of 15 million illegals present in the U.S.
www.kfi640.com/time_dooropen.html.
October, 2004 -- in a one hour documentary (Immigrant Nation - Divided Country), CNN estimated that "7 – 20 million" people were "living in this country illegally".
Transcript: transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/17/cp.01.html
January 2005 -- an independent study of the underground economy by the Wall Street financial firm Bear Stearns (The Underground Labor Force is Rising to the Surface), produced estimates of 18-20 million illegal aliens present in the United States.
www.bearstearns.com/bscportal/pdfs/underground.pdf.
March 2, 2005 -- CNN's Lou Dobbs used a figure of "20 million" when discussing the number of illegal aliens on his broadcast "Lou Dobbs Tonight".
transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/02/ldt.01.html
April 11, 2005 -- Close to 11 million Mexicans live here – that's about 4 percent of the U.S. population, but nearly 10 percent of Mexico's.
lang.dailybulletin.com/socal/beyondborders/part_1_d2/041105_main.asp
September 9, 2005 -- About 11 million Mexicans live in the U.S., more than half illegally.
www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=71000001&refer=latin_america&sid=a36SJAt7Zwn4
January 6, 2006 -- There are approximately 11 million Mexicans in the United States... according to the Mexican government.
www.eluniversal.com.mx/miami/16528.html
She's afraid she will be prosecuted for the prescence of the servants in her houehold. and yes, it is the only part of the bill with real teeth in it.
Right... Since "we CAN'T" stop _everyone_ coming across the borders, why even try? Since "we CAN'T" deport _all_ the illegals at one time, let's not deport anyone at all, ever, as a general policy. Who knew it was that simple?
"we would still have to find a way to end welfare."
In California a good start would be to repeal the laws passed under Davis that guarntee illegals welfare, no cost food stamps, and free medical care.
What sanctions?
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