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To: MNJohnnie

Yup. Nothing out there yet can beat oil. Ends up taking more energy to produce these alternative fuels than burning the original oil directly as gas or diesel in the first place.


6 posted on 03/29/2006 3:49:36 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

maybe you and your little friend should do your homework before you come on my thread and make a total arse of yourselves...
Brazil produces ethanol for a buck a gallon...
that's a third less than the world market price for gas.

and FYI, whatever the cost of alternative fuels, it's cheaper than the life of one dead Marine in the Middle East!

Point, Game, Set, Match!


19 posted on 03/29/2006 4:00:22 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: dhs12345
That is what is so frustrating about this misreporting in the Junk Journalism. The kids did NOT build an engine, they rebuilt an EXISTING engine to run on the bio diesel. Then this bio diesel probably takes as much oil to produce as a gallon of gas.

OK, there are no magic silver bullet solutions despite what the Junk Media and Eco freaks keep pushing. This kind of irresponsible pie in the sky promising makes it HARDER to actually get things done to wean us off cheap foreign oil. People keep kidding themselves that we do not have to make any tough decision cause tomorrow the magic wand will be waved and the silver bullet technological fix will appear. It is NOT going to happen. Changeing OFF oil will be a evolutionary, NOT Revolutionary, process

20 posted on 03/29/2006 4:01:41 PM PST by MNJohnnie (The lame shall walk, the blind shall see, alas the press remains invincible in their ignorance.)
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To: dhs12345
Thermal Depolymerization (Warning: Large scan of Discover Magazine article) produces substantially more energy than it takes to run the process.

The pilot plant mentioned in the article is running. It's hit some snags and has been costing more to operate than expected but it does work and the snags are nothing that can't be resolved and costs could ultimately come down.

99 posted on 03/29/2006 8:33:27 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: dhs12345; MNJohnnie; CindyDawg; saganite; FreedomNeocon; Yo-Yo; CowboyJay; Muleteam1; ...

"Nothing out there yet can beat oil. Ends up taking more energy to produce these alternative fuels than burning the original oil directly as gas or diesel in the first place."

According to the U.S. Department of Energy, for every one unit of energy available at the fuel pump, 1.23 units of fossil energy are used to produce gasoline, 0.74 of fossil energy are used to produce corn-based ethanol, and only 0.2 units of fossil energy are used to produce cellulosic ethanol.

Now I'm done with this thread. You folks will have to do your own further research.


114 posted on 03/30/2006 9:29:40 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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