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DNA could modify itself with no outside help, say biologists
Princeton University ^ | March 28, 2006 | Chad Boutin

Posted on 03/29/2006 1:47:22 PM PST by SampleMan

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To: SampleMan
I can point you to a leading Korean scientist that's good at cloning, or perhaps you're interested in claims of cold fusion?

Is this a variation on the Piltdown man "argument?" I can point you at more "Christian" criminals than you can shake a stick at. Does that importune Christianity?

Gosh, you got me. I don't have a quote of a "leading scientist" saying, "I declare that there is nothing more to learn about evolution." However, finding a lot of quotes that say the equivilent of, "What total nonsense, shut up" isn't that difficult.

All recognized scientists agree on the general TToE. These types of findings tend to shore up aspects of it. You don't see astronomers saying "Oh, we see this astral phenomenon! All Astronomy is wrong!" Same for physics and all other sciences.

41 posted on 03/29/2006 4:57:43 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: hawkaw
Science is properly set up so that no scientific theory is absolute unlike your absolute belief that Genesis is absolutely correct no matter what.

You're absolutely attacking the windmill. What makes you say such a thing about me? Did I say anything at all about religion? (This is where you insert "You're not fooling me!")

I'm not pushing ID. Search my posts. I'm simply finding amusemnt in how rabid the evolution-absolutists are. I would describe what I think about evolution and mutation, but you would likely just ignore it.

Your post is precisely what I meant. Thank you.

42 posted on 03/29/2006 4:58:39 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan
“To a scientist, this kind of self-inflicted genetic damage appears unhealthy, the sort of thing that would cause undesirable mutations and could kill off the organism,” Fresco said. “Cells have evolved a complex DNA repair system to constantly repair such damage. But evolution has not, as we’d expect, put a stop to it. So we theorize it must be happening for some good reason that we have yet to uncover.”

This absolutely shows that the genetic mutation theory put forth by evolutionists is a fallacy. Cells have a complex DNA repair system. In other words, even if DNA mutates, it soon self corrects. That is the normal state of affairs. Mutation is abnormal. Yet evolutionists would have us believe that an unnormal, unnatural, impossible mutations occur virtually all the time in every single species. Right.

43 posted on 03/29/2006 5:02:15 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: freedumb2003
All recognized scientists agree on the general TToE.

Let me guess as to how one goes about getting unrecognized.

44 posted on 03/29/2006 5:03:20 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: js1138
So you just made it up, the part about science claiming to know everything.

You've really got to work at staying focused. I said not a word about science. I said "scientists". And I certainly didn't make anything up. The Kool-Aid is green in color and on the third table to the left at every conference.

Our land grant diploma mills really have to work harder on instructing our future scientists to stop interjecting "shut up" into their open minded conversations.

45 posted on 03/29/2006 5:10:36 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: DouglasKC; PatrickHenry

This almost sounds like "transposition".

I don't know why this is such a surprise. We have known that mutagens or radiation ionize cells to such an extent that they are forced to repair themselves. Could a certain codon break cause this?


46 posted on 03/29/2006 5:12:44 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: SampleMan
If you're going to troll, try to be more creative: Evolution Troll's Toolkit.
47 posted on 03/29/2006 5:13:01 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: SampleMan

"I said "scientists".

And you provided none who said what you claimed they said.


48 posted on 03/29/2006 5:13:45 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Ah you arrived. How wonderful. Did you bother to read the article. You might notice that it opens possibilities on mutation (someone around here was talking about that earlier). You might not have heard them, as you were completely focused on telling them that it wasn't possible, and that they should shut up.

So you should thank me. You can now write a paper to Princeton and tell them to cease and desist.

I know, I know, I'm not fooling anyone (whatever that means) and X-men cubed. You got me.


49 posted on 03/29/2006 5:14:45 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan

"You might not have heard them, as you were completely focused on telling them that it wasn't possible, and that they should shut up."

That's a lie. But par for the course.

Now, can you tell us which scientists have said that everything is already known about evolution? Or are you going to pretend you didn't say that?


50 posted on 03/29/2006 5:16:39 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Then produce them.

That's hilarious! You've outdone yourself. OK here goes. Its really, really, really easy.

1. Go to FreeRepublic.com

2. Go to "Search" and choose "Poster"

3. Type in "CarolinaGuitarman"

You should get about 50-60 posts attempting to shut people down for discussing wildly heretical views such as that mutation isn't fully understood, and that understanding it might shed more light on evolution.

51 posted on 03/29/2006 5:19:47 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: freedumb2003
Is this a variation on the Piltdown man "argument?"

No.

52 posted on 03/29/2006 5:21:24 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: PatrickHenry
If you're going to troll,

Go flame Princeton, its their article. Or are you proving that I'm incorrect about scientific pigheadedness by politely discussing the virtue of this article. I thought so. Thanks for the affirmation.

53 posted on 03/29/2006 5:24:52 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan
"You should get about 50-60 posts attempting to shut people down for discussing wildly heretical views such as that mutation isn't fully understood, and that understanding it might shed more light on evolution."

That's another lie. Produce ANY post where I attempt to *shut people down*. You're pathetic. But, again, it's par for the anti-evo course.
54 posted on 03/29/2006 5:27:49 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: SampleMan

And don't think anybody hasn't noticed your complete inability to provide even ONE scientists who has ever said that there is nothing new to be known about evolution.

You obviously made that up.


55 posted on 03/29/2006 5:30:03 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: DouglasKC
In other words, even if DNA mutates, it soon self corrects.

Like the hemoglobin-S (sickle cell) mutation?

56 posted on 03/29/2006 5:30:17 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
You obviously made that up.

Sometimes I miss the old days. Back then, the trolls really had some flair. They all got banned, of course, but still -- at least they made it interesting. Trolling just ain't what it used to be. No style at all.

57 posted on 03/29/2006 5:34:38 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
That's another lie. Produce ANY post where I attempt to *shut people down*. You're pathetic. But, again, it's par for the anti-evo course.

OK, you could have at least made me work for it. You call me a liar, pathetic and insult me with some hyphenated word creation in the same sentence, where you deny shutting people down for opposing views on evolution.

You really are a gem. Perhaps its just a phase and you'll evolve out of it.

I find it all the more amusing because I've told you repeatedly that I think evolution occurs. I simply said that I thought that there was an unkown element concerning mutation. (Again you might read this article.) You insisted that I couldn't possibly be correct.

It is you and you alone that have chosen to charge the windmill of ID. I stand by my hypothesis on mutation and I find this article to be interesting and just possibly part of solving what I still consider to be an incomplete puzzle.

Now please read my mind and tell me what I really mean.

58 posted on 03/29/2006 5:35:55 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan

Who the hell said the article was wrong. It's your false comment that we disagree with.


59 posted on 03/29/2006 5:39:23 PM PST by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: SampleMan

"OK, you could have at least made me work for it. You call me a liar, pathetic and insult me with some hyphenated word creation in the same sentence, where you deny shutting people down for opposing views on evolution."

Yes, because everything I said is true.

"Now please read my mind and tell me what I really mean."

Nothing to read.

Your total retreat is noted. Not only can you not provide ANY post where I told people to shut up, but you also haven't provided the names and citations for any scientist who has said that everything there is to know about evolution is known.


60 posted on 03/29/2006 5:40:40 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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