Posted on 03/29/2006 11:02:37 AM PST by Sonny M
You just made my case for me. People are always ready to roll back government and poll after poll shows people think government has grown too big. Only a liberal republican would argue that we can't roll back government now.
Get off the planet SDGOP. Not everyone thinks like you. Every time the GOP tries even the most modest government roll-back, we get our heads beat in. I guess you forgot the mid-1990s and what the Democrats did to us then over merely wanting to reduce the growth of government. And that was before 9-11. Go look at any poll and show me one where the size of government is mentioned as being the most important issue or even anything more than a blip.
That being said, I think the GOP should make the case that we need to downsize government, but that has to come after securing the White House in 2008. We need an EFFECTIVE spokesperson who can make that case and Allen isn't it. I feel McCain could be more effective at it by starting with rolling back pork spending. He has credibility on that issue and he could then leverage that political capital to then work on rolling back govt. in other ways.
So now do you want to respond to the SUBSTANCE of my post or do you just want to take me out of context AGAIN to try to prove me a "RINO?" As I said, if you want to have an intelligent, civil debate then let's have it. If you want to just keep making this about me then I'll accept your admission of defeat implied in your inability to stop labelling me and to stop making this debate about how you misperceive my views.
(I'd like to compare that to your own military record),
Mccain is not as electable as you claim, Bush was polling higher than him in 2000 and look where it got him. The media will turn on him the second he gets the republican nomination(not that he will).
Mccain has stabbed us in the back so many times and cares only about himself. He opposed bush's tax cuts, opposed anwr, is for universal health care, is for amnesty, gutted the constitutional option, pushed the most arrogant piece of legislation in decades on us in the form of CFR, ran around in 2000 talking about 'tax cuts for the rich' and the wealth gap in this country, is trying to regulate the internet. I'm sorry, but i will never vote for this guy and he will never win the primary or the general election, no matter how many times you guys say it.
Typical of you to bring up his service, none of us are attacking it and once again you confuse the debator with the debate. Only a LIBERAL would throw out that BS line of arguement about comparing someones military service to another.
I'm done here, theres no point in arguing with you. If your ego so demands have the last word.
Freedom, Allen couldn't even kick Boxer's ass...
That being said, I have nothing against Allen's conservatism. That is not my problem. My problem is his inability to ennuciate the conservative message and to fight these Democrats. I wish you could have seen what I saw in those various TV appearances. It was gruesome.
Now come back to the planet reality. I have never been a Clinton supporter and indeed was one of their most vocal critics. Your need to label me says far more about you then it does about me. It tells me you really have nothing much to say in defending Allen other than a few meaningless soundbites.
And if Allen wins, fine. I will not feel that my "ass has been kicked." I will just get behind him and fight the losing battle for him to win, unlike you if McCain wins who will sit back and not vote and just let Hillary win. And you dare accuse me of helping Hillary?
Only a LIBERAL would throw out that BS line of arguement about comparing someones military service to another.
Come up with a prior post of mine yet showing that I am a Clinton supporter?? I'm still waiting. But I guess it's easier to throw out a brainless label than to actually back it up...and easier than making an intelligent argument against what I'm saying.
early George Allen support bump...
He's lying.
Allen is deserving of respect, having served both as a Conservative state Governor and a Senator.
He is the 8th most conservative Senator in America.
He believes in small government, and a strong defense.
I'm the "liar" and you still can't provide one single prior post that shows I'm a "Clinton plant?" Looks like it was you that was lying son, which actually makes you more like a Clinton supporter than me.
"He is the 8th most conservative Senator in America. "
That isn't saying a darn thing in my book.The fact that he isn't top five is a warning sign.The Senate is a joke.
Pence will run if we make him.Considering the alternative I say we make him.
Where did you come up with that crap? Pence never folded anything except liberals(of both parties) in half.Pence has the strongest backbone in our conference.
Heck,according to this Allen is pretty much a centrist.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/spectrum.xpd
But, Kyle, your book is a closed one.
You're Pence all the way, so please be a big boy and back Pence, without trying to tear down George Allen.
Listen,I am not tearing down anyone just posting things that you can take or leave.
Of what?
onyx style moderation.
Oh good, thanks! I like George Allen even more now. You persuasive little guy you.
not a problem.you are welcome.Is that all?
It didn't come across to me as an attempt to tear Allen down, but rather a scrutiny of the attempt to build him up. He's quite right that given the nature of the Senate, we need something more than "8th most conservative Senator" to show that he really is conservative.
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