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Should you be able to take your gun to work?
KVUE-TV (Austin, TX) ^ | 3/28/06 | Vicente Arenas

Posted on 03/29/2006 10:04:37 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

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To: kiriath_jearim
I'm a supervisor in a typical government office that deals with the public. I supervise typical (un)civil servants. Most of them are women in a permanent state of PMS. They can (and do) fly off the handle if I look at them cross-eyed.

The last thing I want is for them to have a loaded pistol in the trunk of their car.

If they have to drive all the way home to get their gun to blow my brains out - at least they have a chance to cool off on the drive home.

If all they have to do is run out to the parking lot to get the loaded gun - I'm a goner.

41 posted on 03/29/2006 10:32:42 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Or you could organize a boycott against the company and try to put them out of business. I am boycotting Conoco as of this moment.

Absolutely. But unlike union thugs, you can't harrass the folks who choose not to go along with your boycott. If you keep your hands to yourself, I wish you the best of luck with your boycott.

42 posted on 03/29/2006 10:33:48 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: L98Fiero

I agree


43 posted on 03/29/2006 10:34:37 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Doomonyou

Or on a military base.


44 posted on 03/29/2006 10:35:22 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Exactly. Like I said, from the tar down is the business owners. From the tires up, mine. No competition whatsoever.

The lot is mine; the car is yours. You can put whatever you want in your car, including a harem of fuzzy llamas, and I can tell you whether or not your car is allowed in my lot.

I have a right to fence in my lot, and you have no right to plow through the fence, or to run through the guardpost. If I don't put up a fence or guardpost, the property is still mine and not yours. For society to work properly, most people need to realize that.

45 posted on 03/29/2006 10:35:43 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

That depends on where you work.


46 posted on 03/29/2006 10:36:06 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Not allowed to here, glad I'm near a window on the ground floor... If TSHTF, that window is getting a monitor through it and I'm outta here.


47 posted on 03/29/2006 10:36:20 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: kiriath_jearim

If employers only want criminals to have firearms at their place of business, who are we to stop them?


48 posted on 03/29/2006 10:36:21 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Tokra
I'm a supervisor in a typical government office that deals with the public.

Government employees shouldn't be armed at all. They're dangerous enough as it is.

49 posted on 03/29/2006 10:37:29 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Potowmack
All they need is a sign saying "All vehicles subject to search." They probably wouldn't even need to do that- they could just post a security guard at the entrance and forbid entry to anyone who refused to consent to a search. Rules in employee handbooks authorizing searches of vehicles are common and fully enforceable.

No. Actually. They are not fully enforcable. Depends on local statutes and case law. In many places, they have been found to be exactly as I describe them, violations of the property owners Rights. Namely, the car owners.

You have no "right" to enter another's property in violation of their rules.

Ah, so if they make it a rule to engage in homosexual sodomy you'd be fine with that? Don't be silly. A private entity can no more strip a person of their inalienable Rights than the Government can. It violates the very premise upon which this country was founded.

So, do you have the right to hold a political rally in your employer's parking lot?

If it was a rally inside my car, sure. It'd be an awefully small rally though.

50 posted on 03/29/2006 10:37:40 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Tokra

You must be a great boss...


51 posted on 03/29/2006 10:40:33 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Shalom Israel
If she owns the parking lot, she can ban anything she wants.

That is incorrect, due to laws against discrimination in hiring and the potential for disparate impact. The babyseat example is one where there would be an obvious age bias to the policy, making it illegal due to age discrimination.

52 posted on 03/29/2006 10:40:43 AM PST by green iguana
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To: Shalom Israel
You can either allow employees to park in your lot, or you can keep the lot for just your onesy. Anything else is dscrimination and deprivation of the equal Rights of others.

Period. End of story.

53 posted on 03/29/2006 10:41:39 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

My car is an extension of my homestead; there should be no problem with my keeping a gun there, no matter where it's parked.


54 posted on 03/29/2006 10:41:52 AM PST by Redbob
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To: L98Fiero

In your car, yes. In the office itself is up to the company, who I'm sure would say no.


55 posted on 03/29/2006 10:43:08 AM PST by Tatze (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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To: green iguana
That is incorrect, due to laws against discrimination in hiring and the potential for disparate impact.

That's true: today, US law does disrespect property rights--not to mention the freedom of association. To that extent, however, it's US law that's in the wrong.

...illegal due to age discrimination.

Yup, freedom of association is much undermined. Luckily for me, soon it will be illegal for pretty girls to refuse to sleep with ugly guys. After all, if I can prove that she sleeps around pretty indiscriminately, then her refusing me can only be chalked up to bigotry against unattractive men.

56 posted on 03/29/2006 10:43:56 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Tokra
"an armed society is a polite society" R.A. Heinlein

so bring your own gun to work to protect against those very same PMS maniacs you so fondly spake of.

"...Well he should have armed himself then..." Clint Eastwood as William Muny in "The Unforgiven"

57 posted on 03/29/2006 10:43:57 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Dead Corpse
Ah, so if they make it a rule to engage in homosexual sodomy you'd be fine with that?

A strange example, but okay, I'll play. Okay, say a private property owner wants to have a gay orgy in his house. A condition of attending the party is that you have to engage in homosexual sex while there. If not, you will get booted out of the party. If you refuse to engage in homosexual sex, can the owner of the property deny you an invitation or kick you out? Of course.

A private entity can no more strip a person of their inalienable Rights than the Government can.

Your rights have not been stripped. You are not forced to work for a particular employer.

If it was a rally inside my car, sure. It'd be an awefully small rally though.

So, as long as you are sitting in your car, you can violate your employer's rules? That is just a ridiculous position.

58 posted on 03/29/2006 10:44:32 AM PST by Potowmack ("In politics, madame, you need two things: friends, but above all an enemy." Brian Mulroney)
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To: Redbob

Not on a mil base.


59 posted on 03/29/2006 10:45:18 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Shalom Israel
"...it's about whether the guy that owns the parking lot has a right to say who's allowed to park in it."

Close, no cigar:
what it's about is whether or not your employer, the "guy who owns the parking lot," has the right to deprive you of your Constitutional rights on the way to and from work

Now if you hate guns, fears guns, or think guns are somehow inherently evil, just say so, but don't try to confuse a rational discussion.

60 posted on 03/29/2006 10:46:31 AM PST by Redbob
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