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To: curiosity
It seems like a much safer strategy then hoping against hope that we'll somehow reverse a consistent pattern that's held up for 40 years

That's exactly why legalizing these people is the only answer. I don't know where you've been, but after the Reagan administration amnesty and solomn promose to get tough on the border, nothing happened.

This time they're not even promising to get tough. Sure, they're going to write new laws, but they wrote laws in the 80's too. Look what good it did? They don't even need new laws now, just enforce the old ones, but there's no serious talk of doing it.

So you have exactly my point. We're not going to reverse the 40 years of flow of mexicans across the border, so the only logical thing to do is welcome them to America, and lead them to the English class. That will clear up all the sneaking across the border, so anyone who does so is a genuine bad guy and will be easier to catch. Thus we increase security.

And we'll know who these people are, and where they're working. Right now there is no accountability at all. All these folks have "papers", but they're bogus papers, worth zero for increasing security.

If we welcome them to this country to be Americans, they won't have to hide from the Border Patrol in the spanish barrios, never learning our language and culture.

It's not a perfect solution. I'd rather they went home. But I'm realistic that we're not going to reverse this 40 year migration. The only option is to manage it as best we can.

849 posted on 03/31/2006 3:03:15 PM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: narby
That's exactly why legalizing these people is the only answer. I don't know where you've been, but after the Reagan administration amnesty and solomn promose to get tough on the border, nothing happened.

That's because the Reagan amnesty was NOT accompanied by any tough legislation.

This time they're not even promising to get tough. Sure, they're going to write new laws, but they wrote laws in the 80's too.

No, they didn't. The laws written in the 1980's had no teeth. They didn't give sufficient resources to Law enforcement, and the penalties for hiring illegals were a joke. There were no requirements for verifying employment authorization documents. In short, there was NO good legislation proposed.

In contrast, HR 4437 will do all those things, and more. HR 4437 is truely something different and has not been tried before.

When what he's been trying doesn't work, and we've already tried amnesty, assimlation, and all the things you suggest, a rational person tries something different.

They don't even need new laws now, just enforce the old ones, but there's no serious talk of doing it.

Yes, a new law is needed, because the existing laws do not give law enforcment the resources it needs, nor do they give sufficient penalties for violating the law.

So you have exactly my point. We're not going to reverse the 40 years of flow of mexicans across the border,

Of course you can. Kick them out of their jobs, and they'll have no reason to stay.

We've done the same thing before on a smaller scale. Look up Operation Wetback.

so the only logical thing to do is welcome them to America, and lead them to the English class.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH! You've got to be kidding. With our schools dominated by dogmatic multiculturalists who think America is evil? Yeah, that's going to happen.

That will clear up all the sneaking across the border, so anyone who does so is a genuine bad guy and will be easier to catch. Thus we increase security.

Sanctions with teeth against employing illegals will have the same effect.

And we'll know who these people are, and where they're working. Right now there is no accountability at all. All these folks have "papers", but they're bogus papers, worth zero for increasing security.

And you think the ones who are a risk to security will somehow come forward and tell you who they are?

If we welcome them to this country to be Americans, they won't have to hide from the Border Patrol in the spanish barrios, never learning our language and culture.

They'll just join Mecha, like all the leading Hispanic politicians in California did.

It's not a perfect solution.

It's no solution.

I'd rather they went home. But I'm realistic that we're not going to reverse this 40 year migration.

You're being most unrealistic about prospects for assimilation. I can tell you've spent very little time around the Hispanic Ghetto.

On the other hand, I can see you've given almost no thought to the House Bill that I alluded to earlier, for which there is a very real possibility of passage.

850 posted on 03/31/2006 3:27:40 PM PST by curiosity
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