So Cal Walkout Pics (Dubya's Future GOP)

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[Mojave]

As for lower numbers, I simply disagree with you and think we do need the same numbers.

No you don't. The curent legal immigration rate is fine with me. You want that PLUS all the illegals who have entered without permission.

[UNflagburner]

Criminal intent, motive, and action have psychological roots not closely tied to financial status.

Not true. There are motives besides need, but need remains a major one. Although the type of crime will certainly differ. However the original poster was presumably talking about bluecollar crime, since it's something you can see while driving though the barrio.

Poor people are just more likely to be caught.

And how are you getting data for crimes which weren't detected?

[kaktuskid]

"I am beginning to believe that the blue blood spoiled rich kid President of ours who has never worked a day in his life really hates our culture and heritage just as much as the blue blood spoiled rich kid John Kerry does. I'm really wondering whether we really had a choice last election."
You are so right.

I voted for that man twice so that he could insult me and tell me I'm a lazy American -- that hard-working Americans aren't the backbone of this country -- the invaders are the backbone. Sheesh, thanks Bush. You're sending my son to Iraq -- why don't you send these Mexican's to Iraq? After all, aren't they willing to do what American's are incapable of doing? Beats me how Bush can call American's lazy, but send them to war.

More and more this site is turning into Moveon.org with crap like this.

[UNflagburner]

That's what I meant. Same numbers of immigrants just do it legally, with all the screening and diversify the choice of country to make assimilation more efficient.

[Mojave]

Same numbers of immigrants just do it legally

Say the number.

[Jack Black]

We need the pictures of the burning flags. We won't have long to wait. I sent "Mexico over upside down America" to Drudge. Why isn't it on top of his site?

[eddiebear]

I'm surprised your post got through on freep. Malkkkin wouldn't be proud. She would rather lose than supoort half a measure, just like many of teh "conservatives" on this site. Look at what they did in WA state 2004 Gov race when they sat out for no good reason, and the Dem won by 100 votes on the 4th recount.

[38special]

If Mexico is so friggin great why don't they just go back?

[UNflagburner]

Say the number.

It's based on supply and demand.

[Rick Deckard]

You're kidding, right? You're saying that we'd purposely let that many uneducated people into the country? Ay, carumba!

[armchairadmiral]

Cinco De Mayo is probably celebrated by as many non Mexicans in the U.S. as Mexican illegals. It's an excuse to drink and party just as is St. Patrick's Day. As for allowing this fiasco to continue and saying we can do nothing but grin and bear it I say bull! If we seriously apply all the options at our disposal such as reporting illegals and those who employ them, boycotting those business's that are run by or employ illegals and letting the public know who they are. Working to cut off access to entitlement programs which are being sucked dry by these vampires and insisting on payment up front when they use our emergency rooms for anything other than true emergencies. They should also be required to pay for real emergency service just as American citizens are (I know- good luck collecting). If we do these things, the lure of coming here illegally and the reasons to stay will cease to exist for the most part. The need to transport 10 or 11 million people out of the country all at once is a fallacy, take away health care, welfare and jobs and a good many illegals will leave on their own. This problem was not created overnight and it will not be solved that way either but it will not be solved at all if we just continue to only rely on lawmakers who sit back, make excuses and do nothing and try to convince us it's for our own good. By doing the things we can and going after the politicians HARD we can beat this problem.

[kingu]

It gains nothing, but allowing the workers to become citizens and bring in their families will solve that problem...

Allowing? Is there anything that prevents someone from applying to become a citizen, aside from their present illegal actions? Nearly a million immigrants a year become US citizens. Out of the six million who were eligible for Reagan's amnesty, less than half took advantage of it. More than half of them, for less than the cost of a monthly car payment, or three months of insurance, or a quarter of the average mortgage, couldn't be bothered to apply for citizenship.

Does that not explicitly demonstrate that there is a huge population here, of no less than three million, who have lived here since Reagan gave them amnesty, who have zero interest in becoming citizens?

Your solution has been proved to be ineffective in converting even a majority to seek citizenship. What will we get out of this round? A forty percent conversion rate? While millions around the world who want to come here legally and become citizens are denied because our system is choked processing applications from those who are only in the system from a criminal act of their own making?

The only net gain I see here is from government employment - we'd have to hire the equivalent of a the workers hired for the census simply to process the applications and perform even the most basic background checks.

As for taxes we do have a war on our hands.

Fine, excuse 140 billion of the federal budget for each of the last five years. That total is 700 billion. Over the last four years, the national debt has increased by 1.4 trillion dollars, double the amount for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and completely discounting any debt from 2001 and 2002, as one could make the argument that economic changes during those years to compensate for the end of the dot com boom and the terrorist attacks accounts for any deficit for those years.

We're 700 billion in the hole with all this grand infusion of low cost workers, the equivalent of waging another pair of wars of the scale of those in Iraq and Afghanistan. Educating the children of illegals, themselves mostly legal citizens by virtue of their parents illegal actions, meanwhile, has cost 243 billion over the past five years just for primary education. To offer one in a hundred of them the opportunity to go to college will require the building of twelve new universities, 48 state colleges, and a 162 community colleges. But gosh, cleaning tables in restaurants is sure cheaper.

[kstewskis]

We need the pictures of the burning flags. We won't have long to wait. I sent "Mexico over upside down America" to Drudge. Why isn't it on top of his site?

Good job. Hopefully, we won't have long to wait for Drudge to post it either.

How about Michelle Malkin? Does she have it up yet? Anyone want to send it to her?

[Rebelbase]

Yeah, right. You live in fantasy.

[TigersEye]

If it's anything I love it's them working at MY trade for $8 an hour.

I hear that. I was priced out of my trade (carpentry) in this CO mountain town about eight years ago. Most of the people in the trades that I've known over the years have left. Not many working class jobs left for Americans here.

[UNflagburner]

You're kidding, right? You're saying that we'd purposely let that many uneducated people into the country?

I'm saying we should. By the way, immigration rates per capita were much higher in the early 1900's. And if you want educated people, then how do you feel about handing out more H1-B visas.

[Mojave]

It's based on supply and demand.

Say the number.

[exhaustedmomma]

my point that a poor person is more likely to turn to crime.

The rich & powerful buy their way out... ie... Ted Kennedy, Clinton's. But, maybe you distinguish between blue & white collar crime.

[Rick Deckard]

From Sen. Ted "Fat Boy" Kennedy:

"Under the proposed bill (The Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of 1965)," explained Senator Edward Kennedy, "the present level of immigration remains substantially the same. Secondly, the ethnic mix will not be upset. Contrary to charges in some quarters, it will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area." The senator suggested that, at most, 62,000 people a year might immigrate.

62,000 X 20 years (since the '86 amnesty) = 1,240,000.

You do the math.

[EverOnward]

Crap is my president, the one I voted for twice, allowing my country to be taken over by illegals who thumb their nose at our laws. That's crap.