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Is it time for a constitutional convention called by the people re: illegal immigration?

Posted on 03/27/2006 5:46:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Edited on 03/27/2006 8:53:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, would it be a good idea to let the current crop of miscreants in Washington loose on the Constitution? I shudder.


81 posted on 03/27/2006 6:21:06 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Pukin Dog
Cant. The Borders are a Federal issue. States have no standing when it comes to the borders beyond security. Immigration is also a Federal matter. Anything the states could do could be overruled by the Federal Government. That is just the way it is. technically true, this wouldn't be the first time that the Federal Government has been utterly negligent in its duties, and therefore it would NOT be the first time that the States have had to take upon themselves the course to solving the problem on their own.

While States definitely don't have the power to "deport" illegal immigrants, they DO have other powers they can use:

* Declare illegal immigrants as "trespassers" and arrest them when they congregate

* TAX the hell out of international wire transfers. There is NO reason NOT to do this, as this is THE reason most of these "migrant workers" are here ANYWAY—Make money off of the rich gringos and wire it south to "mi familia"

* Aggresively prosecute housing code violations, and ensure that neighborhoods and cities don't become barrios

Any of these methods could be used without coming into conflict with Federal jurisdiction. We MUST use EVERY tool at our disposal to re-claim our sovereignty, or we do not deserve to HAVE it!

82 posted on 03/27/2006 6:21:10 PM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: Jim Robinson
Since our politicians refuse to deport 11 million illegal aliens--- there is an alternative. It would be a heck of a lot easier, and cheaper, to load a few hundred politicians into some pick-ups--- and send them packing to Mexico.


83 posted on 03/27/2006 6:21:33 PM PST by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: Jim Robinson
We need to flood the bastard's offices with mail. Get off our fat asses and do something. Too bad we don't have communist worker parties supporting and mobilizing people to demonstrate. I guess we all have to work. Either that or we have become so apathetic that we won't move an inch to save our own lives. All we ever do is complain and the government knows it.
84 posted on 03/27/2006 6:22:02 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: detsaoT

My state senators and assemblypersons are all pochos!

They are FOR the illegals!

Ay, ay, ay.


85 posted on 03/27/2006 6:22:07 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Walk softly, carry a big stick... and don't forget to connect the dots ...)
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To: Jim Robinson

No Jim, it's time to throw the bums out.


86 posted on 03/27/2006 6:22:54 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: La Enchiladita

We can demand all day long. I don't think that will get anywhere, mainly because the more demanding the phone calls and letters go to staff members and then to the circular file or memory hole.

We must PROVE it.


87 posted on 03/27/2006 6:23:03 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: Jim Robinson

Since my last post I have read what a Constitutional Convention would mean. And no, I like our Constitution just the way it was written. I would however, like to go back to the true meaning of what our founding fathers had in mind, representation by the people we put in office. That's all I ask.


88 posted on 03/27/2006 6:23:19 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

There are more Bushes than Clintons, though.

;^)


89 posted on 03/27/2006 6:24:10 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Walk softly, carry a big stick... and don't forget to connect the dots ...)
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To: kingu
The only convention that needs to be implemented is one where we kick out every last loser who won't listen to the people who put them into office.

Congress is NOT representing the people and they all must be removed from office. Screw Kennedy and McLame.

90 posted on 03/27/2006 6:25:44 PM PST by p23185
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To: wita

!!PING!!


91 posted on 03/27/2006 6:26:01 PM PST by DakotaGator
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To: La Enchiladita
Then MOVE!

There are at most 49 other States which are closer to your worldview than the one you're stuck in, are there not? (And if you're stuck in California, my sincerest condolences! There is no hope of that State ever becoming conservative again.)

92 posted on 03/27/2006 6:26:49 PM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: Don Corleone; Brad's Gramma; ZULU
Well, the last Constitutional convention we held didn't turn out exactly as planned, so I don't really know how successful we would be in holding another one aimed at stemming the tide of illegals.

I do like the state-by-state technique, but I think it should be coupled with a consistent policy of voting against any and every officeholder who devalues American citizenship, starting with our contemptible, feckless U.S. Senate.

93 posted on 03/27/2006 6:26:49 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Willie Green
"No Jim, it's time to throw the bums out."

We can't do that. All WE can do is throw the REPUBLICAN bums out. And after we do that, the DEMOCRAT bums will be so deeply entrenched, we'll never get them out. Can you say wandering in a liberal/socialist wilderness for the next forty years?

94 posted on 03/27/2006 6:27:17 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Frankly, I think the federal government's failure to defend our borders is not the chief problem (though indeed, it is a problem, especially re terrorism and organized crime). But that act of omission is dwarfed by the acts of COmmission through which the federal government has turned this country into a giant magnet for illegal immigration. The federal government confiscates huge amounts of money from the taxpayers, and then ties the return of a large portion of it to compliance with laws requiring, among other things, that hospitals treat illegal immigrants, and that schools educate the children of illegal immigrants -- just those two items alone impose massive expense on U.S. citizens.

But the most damaging act of commission by the federal government (and damaging in a lot more ways than just the illegal immigration problem) is the mandating of countless expensive worker benefits -- minimum wages, overtime wages, employer contribution to social security, employer burden-of-proof in firing workers (leading to staggering litigation costs for firing useless or trouble-making workers), employer liability for injuries and illness even if caused by the employee's carelessness or substance-impairment or sheer refusal to observe established safety procedures. And hitting from the other side, the federal government continues to rob the working taxpayers in order to fund generous welfare programs covering housing, food, medical care, spending money, and sham "job training" programs, thus removing the incentive for low-level potential workers to work.

An additional problem is the many states and cities which have laws and policies even worse than the federal government's. It's not the federal government's fault that New York City police and emergency services workers and health care workers are prohibited from even asking people about their "immigration status". And then there are the states which mandate that illegal immigrants pay only the discounted in-state tuition at the state colleges. And many states also add to the federal government's pile of burdens imposed on employers by adding yet more from the state level.

All else being equal, the vast majority of employers would prefer to hire citizens and legal non-citizens. But all else is so very, very far from equal, that frankly, any employer in its right mind would prefer to hire illegals. They're the only workers who you can pay what you think they're worth and fire them if you don't need them anymore, or if they're lazy, or if they're perpetually strung out on drugs or alcohol, or if they give you and your other employees the creeps.

To summarize that laundry list, what's needed is to end socialism, because that's the magnet. Eliminate all that garbage, and the flow of illegals would immediately shrink to very manageable proportions.

The one Constitutional amendment directly related to immigration that we do urgently need, is to eliminate the citizenship claim of "anchor babies". Otherwise, any campaigns for Constitutional amendments should focus on eliminating socialism -- a step which would reap huge benefits in many areas, including the illegal immigration problem.


95 posted on 03/27/2006 6:27:39 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: ZULU; CowboyJay

The problem is, we do not de facto have a representative government at this time. The Senators and Representatives have violated their oaths of office.

Would calling a constitutional convention be the same in essence as the national referendum you refer to?

We the people need to be able somehow to address this directly rather than going through our worthless "representatives."


96 posted on 03/27/2006 6:28:34 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Walk softly, carry a big stick... and don't forget to connect the dots ...)
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To: detsaoT
Handled on a State-by-State basis? Consider my Governor, Mike Huckabee, and how he used our Constitution..

"If we send a message that essentially if you don't look like us, talk like us and speak like us we don't want you, it has tremendous economic repercussions," Huckabee said.

On Illegal Children he says "They do get free public education for their children, but that's required under the Arkansas Constitution, Huckabee said. "And frankly I think we would want to make sure that their kids were getting an education because an educated society is a society that can work and do a job and do a better job and make money," Huckabee said.

As for allowing immigrants to receive free prenatal care, Huckabee said that's part of his pro-life sentiment as well as that of Amendment 65 of the state constitution, which says that Arkansas considers life to begin at conception.

"I believe that because it's a human life, then by our law and by our constitution even that unborn child is an Arkansas citizen because he or she is going to be born in this state,"Huckabee said. "The prenatal care for the entire pregnancy costs less than one-third of what one day in the neonatal unit at Children's Hospital would cost if the child has complications at birth."

He encouraged them to settle here..

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97 posted on 03/27/2006 6:29:48 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
I do like the state-by-state technique, but I think it should be coupled with a consistent policy of voting against any and every officeholder who devalues American citizenship, starting with our contemptible, feckless U.S. Senate.

The U.S. Senate, as a body, is hopelessly corrupt.

Think about it: Throughout your entire state, you vote for two—TWO—people to represent you.

That's one person per (your state's population divided by 2).

Your ONLY hope is to ensure that you have control of your State government, and that we continue to increase our control locally. By doing so, we gain control over the only Government which can truly claim to even come close to representing us, no?

The Federal government is lost. It hasn't been listening to the public in at least a decade—over 90 years, by my estimate.

98 posted on 03/27/2006 6:31:13 PM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: La Enchiladita; pissant
Too many of both families!

They can take all of them, along with the Kennedys, Udalls, Rockefellers, Dodds, and the fetid remains of what was once the remarkable Taft dynasty and send them on a first-class plane flight to one of these tropical tax-shelters like the Cayman Islands.

99 posted on 03/27/2006 6:32:08 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: DakotaGator
"As far as calling a Constitutional Convention, I hesitate. It is not that we do not need one. My hesitation is that a Constitutional Convention is without limit in what it can do and thus can be easily diverted."

In calling for the Convention, each state could in theory give its' delegates a mandate to address only one issue.

100 posted on 03/27/2006 6:32:09 PM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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