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Is it time for a constitutional convention called by the people re: illegal immigration?

Posted on 03/27/2006 5:46:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Edited on 03/27/2006 8:53:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: CowboyJay
No, it isn't.

And it's not the American way.

If people here want to resign themselves to Meso-America, and have the experiment of Mexifornia repeated across the country-as well as welcoming the erection of a grand mosque in every state capital in this country-then that's their prerogative.

However, to advise other conservative, patriotic Americans to follow that defeatist path is unconscionable, in my opinion.

221 posted on 03/27/2006 7:29:24 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: RFT1
I hope you enjoy close to a 10% stet income tax rate, 8%+ sale taxes, plus tons of fees on top of that.

Because I understand economics, my effective tax rate is 0%, and has been so for years. I've done nothing that anyone else cant do, so that dog wont hunt.

I'm not in the habit of letting the Government determine my fate.

222 posted on 03/27/2006 7:29:44 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so if mere words can anger you, it means you can be controlled with little effort.)
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To: TWfromTEXAS
you cannot call a constitutional convention and limit it to one topic. everything would be on the table and there is no telling what we would end up with.

Probably end up with the same constitution Iraq got...

We must put these traitors under TERM LIMITS

imo

223 posted on 03/27/2006 7:29:53 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: CowboyJay
That just ain't the cowboy way. ;)

Hang in there Cowboy, I think America's gonna need you soon.

224 posted on 03/27/2006 7:31:07 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: Lancey Howard
"Six steps SOLVE the illegal alien problem:

1. Jail and fine employers who knowingly hire illegals
2. Deny ALL government services, including welfare, food stamps, education, and medical to illegal aliens (with the exception of true, dire emergency care - - after which, immediate deportation).
3. Babies born to illegals are NOT automatically granted citizenship but are instead deported along with their mothers.
4. Second timers (illegals arrested twice) serve a month in real jail. Increased sentences for multiple arrests.
5. Anybody caught aiding and abetting the entry of illegals into the United States serves a mandatory minimum jail sentence of one year. Increased sentences for multiple arrests.
6. BIG border fences and ample armed patrols."

Likely to work, although you left out one thing, the country of origin pays the cost of the illegal. Like medical costs transportation out etc.
225 posted on 03/27/2006 7:31:08 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Modok

lol. But it doesn't appear to make an impact on them.


226 posted on 03/27/2006 7:31:19 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: tgslTakoma

Who said anything about settling for the status quo? I didn't.

I'm saying that any contrived March to DC won't do anything. As a matter of fact, unless you get several hundred thousand attendees (and you probably won't), chances are that it won't do anything.


227 posted on 03/27/2006 7:31:24 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: squarebarb

'...even the 'honest types' are being expertly organized by every socialist/communist group in America...'

I believe you are right on the money! How else could hundreds of thousands of people converge if not expertly organized by a backer with experience and money.

Mr. Morones on Bill O'Reilly's show implied the illegal immigrants are coming to America to make it a better country. How considerate of them. But, since they prefer to carry flags of their home country vs the American flag, I wonder, why don't they simply work to make their own countries better? I believe, Mr. Morones commented that America is causing terrorism. That speaks volumes. It would be very interesting to know who is financially supporting Mr.Morones, Border Angels.

Bill O'Reilly proposed good solutions to the illegal immigrant problem. Hope the Administration was listening.
I pray citizens who truly love our great country, America, will wake up before it's too late.


228 posted on 03/27/2006 7:31:31 PM PST by 4integrity
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To: Screamname

They want California so badly, they can have it, and we take Mexico. Now there's a plan!:)


229 posted on 03/27/2006 7:31:35 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: kingu
The only convention that needs to be implemented is one where we kick out every last loser who won't listen to the people who put them into office.

Seems we have been trying that since I started voting.........

Term limits are the answer...in my opinion.

FRegards,

230 posted on 03/27/2006 7:33:59 PM PST by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: Nuc1
Likely to work, although you left out one thing, the country of origin pays the cost of the illegal. Like medical costs transportation out etc.

Good point. And I think we could extract those payments pretty readily.

231 posted on 03/27/2006 7:34:11 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SeaBiscuit
"and then they had a Tea party."

What does Mexico ship us that we could throw back besides illegals? If we attempted to block their goods at a POE, we'd be doing time in Gitmo or Ft Leavenworth.

232 posted on 03/27/2006 7:34:16 PM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hell, NO.

First off, a Constitutional Convention would do what the first did. It'd go hog wild with amendments that have no basis under the call to arms. And odds are very good that the first one that would be arms-related. And that it'd pass the state legislators. And that we'd be short on a Constitutional RKBA real quick.

I'd instigate civil OBEDIENCE in places that are serving illegal aliens before I would ever push for a Constitutional Convention. First off, one might utilize the most dangerous and smelly day laborers' services, having them knock on neighborhood doors and solicit people to vote for political candidates...the ones who aren't doing $#!# about crimmigrants.

Also, it'd be simple to start networking so that parents can report the names and addresses of children who are illegal aliens in public schools to Homeland Security, and publicize the HS workers who do nothing to stop them from being there, as it would save a ton of money and embarrass do-nothing HS workers publicly and the people that stop the hardworking ones from doing their jobs. It would be equally simple to make companies that are known to be hiring illegals fire them, producing a file of known illegals employed there, and sending it both to HS, the company, and the newspapers. Same for illegals' crash pads. Find a dirt lawyer willing to sue for the lost property values and harass property owners of these slum houses.

Additionally, it would be fair to simply take advantage of the opportunities that illegal workers present. For example, there's a video bouncing around that shows a young guy picking up illegal day laborers as if he was going to hire them, then dropping them in front of the INS. I don't advocate that, but anywhere there is a known day-laborer pickup spot, organizing friends to create a traffic slowdown on that block could really hurt illegals' pocketbooks.


233 posted on 03/27/2006 7:36:04 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: CowboyJay
The only commodities that come immediately to mind are oil and pot.
234 posted on 03/27/2006 7:36:27 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Jim Robinson

It's already stated twice in the US Constitution that the states are to be protected from invasion.

I don't know how much more obvious it can be to our elected officials than that.

What good will it do to call for an amendment to the Constitution which most of them are already ignoring now -- the Constitution they are sworn to uphold.

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Article 1. Section 8. Clause 15.

[The Congress shall have Power]

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

and

Article 4. Section 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;


235 posted on 03/27/2006 7:36:47 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Jim Robinson

But isn't it in there already? All invaders foreign and domestic? It's not just like that, I realize.

I want to know when our marches are going to start. It's obviously time to mobilize against the immivaders.


236 posted on 03/27/2006 7:36:58 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: Vicomte13; Jim Robinson

I like this idea. After reading this whole thread, a CC is a little scary to me. Just my 2 cents.


237 posted on 03/27/2006 7:37:11 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ("This is the sort of English up with which I will not put." Winston Churchill)
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To: Jim Robinson
I am very glad to see that you are finally realizing that this is the most critical issue that we have. Do you realize that we had a half a million aliens in our streets trying to overthrow our govt. And that is exactly what they are trying to do. If they win on this then the next time they want something it will not stop at protesting. It's going to get ugly.

I have never donated to Free Republic because I didn't think that you ever thought this was much of an issue. You didn't even have an immigration thread. We had to have a ping list.

I think that each state that has the Governor up for re-election should put someone in to run on nothing but immigration. Help raise money for them. Make sure they are just regular people. Not rich. Let them be able to tell the people that they know what it means to live from pay check to pay check. Then tell the people of that state just what the illegals are costing them. Break it down. You do know that out here in the real world that the Dems are just as worried about this issue as we are.

I do not think that we should go house to house to round up the illegals. But it they are caught then they should be treated like any other felons. You see, coming into the country is not a felony. But using false SS cards or document are. Working here, I think, without a green card is a felony. With a drug dealer they take everything he has. I think we should do that with the illegals. Cars, homes, money, cloths, furniture. All of that was brought with money that was obtained committing a felony. Then sit them at the closest border of the next state. Tell them not to come back. Fine the hell out of anyone who hires illegals. Make it mandatory to check their SS. Have a few pert walks for the CEO's. The federals could do nothing about it. State rights. I think that was brought up before. Over a hundred and forty years ago. It will scare them to death if our people win. They know they will be next.

I don't know if any of this would pass the Supreme Court. But in the meantime we start the process of taking back our country. I;m sure that I will get flamed for a lot of this but we really do have to start at the state. Ga. has started but not enough. We need to make the point.
239 posted on 03/27/2006 7:40:35 PM PST by georgiabelle
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To: MikefromOhio
They don't and won't pay a bit of attention to our phone calls, letters or emails.

They don't and won't pay a bit of attention to the Constitution.

They don't and won't pay attention to the laws that they and their predecessors have already passed.

They are whores who sell their votes to the highest bidder/donor.

They might pay attention to tar and feathers.

**Of course, there are a few who aren't greedy, self-serving egomaniacs and who actually care about the country; and Freepers know who they are. My above comments don't apply to those few honorable rep.

240 posted on 03/27/2006 7:43:19 PM PST by tgslTakoma
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