[Sometimes A River]

I'm not denigrating the troops, tehy are doing a great job.

It's just that one cannot help another who does not want help.

Muslims do not want to be like Westerners.

They prefer Islam over Freedom.

And anyone who says they prefer freedom over Islam is considered an Apostate, punishable by death, so that's why few speak out against it.

[Allegra]

Hmmmm....I've been hanging out with the Iraqis for over two years now.

I suppose I should accept your views over what I've seen and heard?

Let's see....which way do I believe? My experiencing it firsthand or someone who sounds suspiciously like they're listening to lots of media reports?

Decisions, decisions...

[McGruff]

Please take your preaching somewheres else. We're trying to have a discussion here not a sermon of how bad Muslims are. The current situation in Iraq is not typical of the rest of the Muslim world.


I agree in general that the Muslims have shown themselves for who they really are, a bunch of barbarians.

[hubno]

Whay about the Kurds? From what I have heard they are not anything like the Shia & Sunns.

Muslims that live here seem to ea up h freedom thing.

Saudi's shun the Shia sect of Islam.

[Rennes Templar]

You're right. Lets call it a big mistake and get out, then elect Hillary for Pres. She'll know how to deal with them Muslims.

[Dr. Frank fan]

Muslims do not want to be like Westerners. They prefer Islam over Freedom. And anyone who says they prefer freedom over Islam is considered an Apostate, punishable by death, so that's why few speak out against it.

It's sad that you do not see the self-contradiction here.

You have concluded that "Muslims" (all of them?) "do not want to be like Westerners" and "prefer Islam over Freedom". Yet at the same time you seem to understand that Muslims who speak out might be killed by their neighbors for doing so.

So on what basis have you concluded things about what Muslims "want"? On the basis of the coerced behavior of a majority of them.

That's like concluding that prison inmates do not like sunlight because if they did why would they spend so much time indoors?