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Can Muslims Separate Religion and State?
American Islamic Forum for Democracy ^ | March 25, 2006 | M. Zuhdi Jasser

Posted on 03/26/2006 10:27:02 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt

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M. Zuhdi Jasser is a Muslim commentator I have admired for several years.

If he is promulgating Al-Taqiyah then please, let us discuss it here.

1 posted on 03/26/2006 10:27:06 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: JohnathanRGalt

No. No they can't.


2 posted on 03/26/2006 10:32:03 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam is a Cult of Death that has been infiltrated by a few non-violent believers.)
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To: trubluolyguy

No.


3 posted on 03/26/2006 10:36:59 PM PST by Dallas59 (MOHAMMED LIED-PEOPLE DIED)
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To: JohnathanRGalt
I Want to Be Wrong (But he's not)

Andrew C. McCarthy, debating Mansoor Ijaz "Can Islam reform itself?"

4 posted on 03/26/2006 10:37:03 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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Can a Muslim separate church and state?

Tell me, how many Islamic nations allow the systematic execution of Muslims-turned-Christians?

Islam is death and destruction, and it is nothing more.


5 posted on 03/26/2006 10:40:05 PM PST by Emmet Fitzhume ("Never do what your enemy expects you to do.")
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"M. Zuhdi Jasser is a Muslim commentator I have admired for several years."

Why?

In all fairness, it is 1:30 a.m. where I am and I'm going to bed. But go for it. Explain why you think so much of him.

6 posted on 03/26/2006 10:40:54 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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"M. Zuhdi Jasser is a Muslim commentator I have admired for several years."

Why? In all fairness, it is 1:30 a.m. where I am and I'm going to bed. But go for it. Explain why you think so much of him.

Because everything I've read by M. Zuhdi Jasser has always been straightforward and honest. I'm convinced that he's a good man and he speaks the truth.

Can someone post a contrary opinion?

7 posted on 03/26/2006 10:59:17 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Islam is not a single body of belief. The Koran may be a constant "scriptural" reference, but the beliefs of individual are colored by tribal culture, nationalistic view and the opinion of the local Islamic sectarian leader. The radical Wahabbis hold sway in the House of Saud. An entire different sect of radical Islam holds sway over Iran. The Pakistanis have their own radical flavor. It is impossible to make any cogent argument about what "muslims" believe as a single body of thought.

We can certainly observe the behavior of muslims in various countries. Islamic theocracies are intolerant of any other religion on their soil. Islam demands strict conformity...on pain of death. Dissent is not tolerated. Jihadist murder is condoned for the glory of Allah. Al taqiyyah (lying to gain advantage for the muslim over the non-muslim) is an acceptable ethic.

8 posted on 03/26/2006 11:02:25 PM PST by Myrddin
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"I'm convinced that he's a good man and he speaks the truth."

And what is the truth in your opinion?

Most everyone else here has already expressed theirs.

Islam should be eradicated. It is completely incompatible with democracy, with freedom, with the American Constitution.

If you disagree, then it is up to you to say why in your own opinion, not Jasser's.

9 posted on 03/26/2006 11:07:17 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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"Can someone post a contrary opinion?"

Use the search feature. We have posted many contrary opinions.

10 posted on 03/26/2006 11:10:41 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

Abdul Rahman's a dead man. The only thing is that the gov't won't be executing him.


13 posted on 03/26/2006 11:17:29 PM PST by etcetera
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"I cant find much to disprove his sincerity."

Sincerity does not mean correct.

14 posted on 03/26/2006 11:19:35 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

It is a sad day when you even think of taking someone's life because of what they believe. It is surely the "signs of the times".


15 posted on 03/26/2006 11:22:31 PM PST by garylmoore (Homosexuality: Obviously unnatural, so obviously wrong.)
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To: Murkin

The Administration tried very hard to get the Iraqis to form their constitution without reference to Islamic law. Some say it was unrealistic to think they could do that so soon. Perhaps what happened in Afghanistan will clue them in.


16 posted on 03/26/2006 11:22:42 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

A big part of the problem is that Arabs are generally tied to clan and tribal loyalties, as well as curiously being blessed with the world's "one true religion".

This does not make them particularly good candidates for liberal western democracy.


17 posted on 03/26/2006 11:31:11 PM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran!)
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To: claudiustg

That applies to Afghanis too.


18 posted on 03/26/2006 11:33:01 PM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran!)
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To: Emmet Fitzhume
Can a Muslim separate church and state?

Tell me, how many Islamic nations allow the systematic execution of Muslims-turned-Christians?

Islam is death and destruction, and it is nothing more.

Emmet Fitzhume, Please read the above article. M. Zuhdi Jasser in no way approved of the execution of Muslims-turned-Christians -- Jasser quoted a Koran verse ("Let there be no compulsion in matters of faith" (2:256).) that contradicted the Islamists.

M. Zuhdi Jasser hails from Arizona, however, consider the state just due north of Arizona in the United States. It's called Utah. And just a few short years ago people in that area had a concept of BLOOD ATONEMENT which allowed Mormons to murder anyone who left the Mormon Church. How much different is that from the clerics in Afghanistan calling for the murder of Christians who converted from Islam?

Today, Mormons are considered fine, upstanding members of society. Their bloody past is glossed over by history books and the MSM. No one talks about it.

19 posted on 03/26/2006 11:34:49 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: iacta alea est
M. Zuhdi Jasser is reviled by many of his fellow Muslims.

He's constantly called a 'dog' by many muslims.

Which is one of the reasons why I think that he's speaking the truth.

20 posted on 03/26/2006 11:40:29 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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