He's a right Charlie (Guardian calls Charlie Sheen insane?)

The Guardian ^ | March 25, 2006 | Marina Hyde

[Fintan]

"It seems to me like 19 amateurs with box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75% of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory."

 

Well, uh, gee, Charlie, here's some late-breaking news: that "conspiracy theory" actually was a conspiracy, and it worked.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

Maybe they will give him a guest shot on 24.....

He would play the part of some CT that no one takes seriously. (Like his Father)

[Jimbaugh]

The tatics of attacking the person and not their point is exactly what Bill Clinton did. Has anyone looked at what he Sheen said?

I have and if half of the stuff is true we are in lots of trouble.

We may find out what it felt to back NIXON just before watergate broke.

Why can't the government just tell the truth?

[Tunehead54]

"He's a right charlie" = "He's a right idiot" = "He's an complete idiot"

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I resemble that remark!

Although if his last name is "Sheen" I really can't argue the point ...

Charlie

;-)

[battlegearboat]

Termite

[WestHill]

Thanks for your post

I read the thread regarding Steven E Jones and I found that noone discussed any of the scientific content of his paper - perhaps they has read the paper but declined to comment - or perhaps it was over their heads

What I did find was a load of name calling and biggotry

As a proud conservative I was somewhat shocked

But mainly surprised that not one person had attempted to say WHY he is wrong

I say because the science adds up - I have tried to find faults but cannot - if he is wrong, which I do not contest, then it should be easy to explain in scientific terms why

Any comments which do not directly address the scientific problems at hand will be ignored

Thank you

[WestHill]

guess there's no constructive replies then

[Mr. Silverback]

As a proud conservative I was somewhat shocked

Hey mods...ever notice how many trolls use that "proud conservative" phrase? Seems to be a hallmark of the breed.

Hey WestHill...what about the firefighters? There are about 50,000 guys on the FDNY alone who would know that the WTC couldn't have come down from the planes. In fact, if Jones' claims were valid, virtually every firefighter, architect, engineer and metallurgist would be able to blow the whistle.

What's keeping them from doing that? Karl Rove's mind control machine?

[WestHill]

If you'd done any research on the subject you'd know that many firefighters, architects and engineers have all come out and either criticised the official account or supported Jones' paper.

I'd be interested to find sources for firefighters, architects and engineers who have arguments which support the official line.

You have to remember that the official account doesn't even try to provide an account of the actual collapse, only how 'conditions for collapse' could be obtained under the circumstances.

Yet again, it's all very well for you make off the cuff speculations, but unless you actually tackle the specific claims in the paper your comments have no merit.

Thanks for your contribution.

[WestHill]

Once again no constructive replies.

[nickcarraway]

Personally, I think The Guardian is crazier for caring what Sheen thinks, than Sheen is for thinking it.

[WestHill]

^ Yes but since we listen to Bush, who also has a history of cocaine abuse, our standards are lowered.

Regardless of how merited any of the attacks on Sheen's character are, they are irrelevant as the views purported are not actually Sheen's but various professors and academics who he is supporting.

[fox security]

I see mostly cowards here, too afraid to ask hard questions. Debate the destruction of world trade center building 7 logically & see if the straws you are all still grasping continue to hold.

Actually, I'd be surprised if more than 15% of you are even aware of WTC 7.

[Mr. Silverback]

I just now remembered this request of yours...

I'd be interested to find sources for firefighters, architects and engineers who have arguments which support the official line.

Try these:

Popular Mechanics

Wikipedia's 9/11 Conspiracy page (numerous debunking cites)

I'd like to note that the Popular Mechanics article quotes multiple engineers or architects every time they discuss a collapse issue, and that on the issue of melted steel (on this page) they quote retired FDNY Deputy Chief Vincent Dunn. What's so important about Dunn? He literally wrote the book on building collapses due to fire. It's called "The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety." In the next paragraph, a senior engineer for the American Institute of Steel Construction estimates that steel girders would lose about 50% of their strength at 1,100 degrees and 90% at 1,800 degrees.

That's check and mate, tinfoil boy.

[Fiddlstix]

Memo To Charlie Sheen:

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