Mrs. Clinton Says G.O.P.'s Immigration Plan Is at Odds With the Bible

NY Times ^ | 3/23/ | Nina Bernstein

[Crackingham]

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked the Bible yesterday to criticize a stringent border security measure that, among other things, would make it a federal crime to offer aid to illegal immigrants.

"It is hard to believe that a Republican leadership that is constantly talking about values and about faith would put forth such a mean-spirited piece of legislation," she said of the measure, which was passed by the House of Representatives in December and mirrored a companion Senate bill introduced last week by Senator Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican and the majority leader.

"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scripture because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself," she said. "We need to sound the alarm about what is being done in the Congress."

Mrs. Clinton, who is running for re-election this year and is leading in polls for the Democratic presidential nomination, spoke at a news conference in Manhattan with more than 30 immigrant leaders after meeting with them privately.

The meeting took place in an atmosphere of mounting urgency, as the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops called on its flock to oppose the measure, and tens of thousands of immigrants around the country stepped up a series of protest rallies in anticipation of a Senate vote on competing immigration bills next week.

Mr. Frist's bill, like the House measure, would make it a crime to be in the United States without proper papers and would add guards and fencing along the Mexican border, and speed deportation.

Some versions, including one proposed by Senator Arlen Spector of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, would expand the definition of alien smuggling to include help to illegal immigrants already here.

[clawrence3]

Agreed - we have to start somewhere though - so, what do you think (present tense) Jesus Christ said (past tense) about "ABORTION" while He was here in human form?

[G Larry]

Jn 10:10-THE THIEF COMETH NOT, BUT FOR TO STEAL, AND TO KILL, AND TO DESTROY: I AM COME THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE LIFE, AND THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE IT MORE ABUNDANTLY.

This is as close as Christ comes to speaking about murder.

If you are scanning the Gospels to understand what kind of behavior Christ condemed, and believe that if He didn't condem it that it is acceptable in his eyes, then party on dude!

[Shomer]

I believe that only kings were ordained by God.

I can see your reasoning, yet Paul didn't use the word for "Kings" (basileus) rather we get the expression "higher powers" or 'exousiais huperechousais' in Romans 13, and in Titus 3:1 the words are "to principalities" (archais), "to obey magistrates" (peitharchein) and powers ('exousiais').

But lets entertain your idea for just this moment. If the command was to obey Kings yet for 'elected' officials any sort of respect or obedience was optional, could we argue that the Founding Fathers were in disobedience when they fought for separation yet the antebellum South was not?

At what level of government or bureaucracy do we tell the office-holder to get lost? Are you willing to test that theory at a routine traffic stop?

[clawrence3]

Don't get me wrong - I never said abortion was acceptable to God. And Jesus, while here on earth, did directly condemn murder - I will have to get you the cite later. He even went so far as linking "anger" to murder - Jesus was much more concerned about sin corrupting soul than the actions such sin create in our lives. That is close as you can get re: "abortion" though.

[clawrence3]

You would support the government criminalizing "one hot meal and one night's shelter"? How about just offering them Holy Communion during service - would you support the government's right to criminalize that too?

[Euro-American Scum]

What would Hillary ever know about the Bible?

[Integrityingovt]

God will judge this woman. I know first hand from White House staffers and secret service agents who worked in the White House while she was there that she had one of most foul, anti Gods mouths they had ever experienced. If you had to rate it according to movie ratings it would have been R bordering on X. True christians should be appalled and outraged by her using the Bible and Jesus's name to advance her agenda. Does the word "antichrist" mean anything to you Hillary!! Look that up in your Bible and then look at yourself in the mirror.

[antceecee]

Hillary reads the Bible???? Who knew!

[redgolum]

One question for you.

Have you ever considered that by aiding illegal immigration you are actually putting those people more at risk?

[clawrence3]

Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Do you think Jesus would support the government criminalizing "one hot meal and one night's shelter" to an illegal alien? How about just offering them Holy Communion during service - would Jesus support the government's right to criminalize that too?

[clawrence3]

Yes, but I do not think offering "one hot meal and one night's shelter" is putting anyone more at risk than not offering them that. Same for child-care during Church service. In fact, I think NOT offering them Holy Communion puts them at HUGE risk, at least spiritually. Next question?

[Fruit of the Spirit]

**could we argue that the Founding Fathers were in disobedience when they fought for separation**

The king of England thought so. However, laws were quickly established in the colonies.

I have in my possession a book "York County, Virginia Records 1659-1662" and the first entry reads:

At a Court Held for York County, August 24, 1659

Present: Lt. Coll. William Barbar, Mr. Wiliam Hay, Mr.Robert Bourne, Mr. Edmond Pevesey, Mr.Rog. Baldrey

It is ordered that Mr. Nathaniel Bacon, Administrator of Mrs. Jane Harman, dec'd, be paid 300 lbs tobacco due by bill, out of the estate of John Claxon, dec'd.

down on the same page:

In the difference between Mr.Francis Wheeler, plt, and Mr. Robert Vaulx, deft., concerning a skiff borrowed of Mr. Wheeler, it is ordered (said skiff appearing to be made unusable by Mr. Vaulx) that he pay L 5 (£5) for said boat.

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When Jesus said, Pay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar but pay to God what belongs to God, he meant that we should obey the law(s) of the land and, more importantly, the laws of God.

[Once-Ler]

I believe Jesus Christ is aware of everything. Were you trying to make some other point?

No. I was just trying to be funny. The empathy of the borderfreaks leaves me in tears, so I sometimes resort to humor to prevent myself from saying how I think Jesus may have made security across the border into Heaven too easy for the lucky Americans who hate the rest of God's creations.