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'Elephant Man couldn't resist drug test money'
Daily Mail ^ | 3/20/2006 | REBECCA ENGLISH

Posted on 03/20/2006 5:31:22 AM PST by Born Conservative

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To: JustDoItAlways
Drugs like this would make good bio-weapons.

I agree, check post 4.

21 posted on 03/20/2006 6:14:15 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: JustDoItAlways; ahayes

yup , it appears that their endocrine system[s] took quite a whack ,...

as an interested layman , I listen to my body's ebb and flow daily ,...

I'm always amazed with new info about human physiology


22 posted on 03/20/2006 6:22:04 AM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: 2banana

you very obviously know very little about healthcare in the UK. private health companies exist in the UK and very profitable they are too. pretty much any medical procedure carried out by the NHS can be done privately - cancer care, orthopedic work, anti-natal, childbirth, heart surgery - you name it.

if you wish to look a fool then carry on, otherwise read up on your subject before commenting.

the drug was tested for the first time on humans by giving it to healthy adult males. if there were to be side effects probably better to find out what those side effects might be before discovering them in the treatment of a critically ill four year old with lukemia.


23 posted on 03/20/2006 6:23:17 AM PST by cokecan
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To: Vectorian
Medicine in the UK is not 'socialized' - we have a national health care system which is free at the point of delivery plus a well-developed private healthcare system for those who wish to spend more.

That is socialized healthcare...

24 posted on 03/20/2006 6:26:01 AM PST by ibheath (Born again and grateful to God.)
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To: Born Conservative
It has also emerged that researchers tried out the drug on monkeys, and their necks swelled up.

. . .okay. . .and then what happened? (The swelling went 'down' (?). . .they are permanently disfigured and/or in pain? They now are suffering from some debilitative disease?

What happened post the 'neck swelling'. . .no 'deaths' that they know of. . .sounds like this depends on the meaning of 'death'. . .

25 posted on 03/20/2006 6:27:53 AM PST by cricket
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To: JustDoItAlways
Drugs like this would make good bio-weapons.

. . .surely a consideration not lost on those who manufacture these drugs. . .and with a 'government' watching. . .

26 posted on 03/20/2006 6:36:23 AM PST by cricket
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To: ibheath
That is socialized healthcare...

. . .and a - 'h e l l o' -

27 posted on 03/20/2006 6:38:51 AM PST by cricket
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To: JustDoItAlways

"Drugs like this would make good bio-weapons."

No it would not. Too expensive to make, and delivery requires IV administration, which makes it impractical as a BW.


28 posted on 03/20/2006 6:40:31 AM PST by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: Born Conservative

I need to see pictures.


29 posted on 03/20/2006 6:41:30 AM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!)
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To: Tax-chick

"I'm confused. Are they testing this drug on people who don't have the conditions for which it's a treatment?"

In phase I trials, drugs are usually tested in healthy volunteers (except in oncology, where they are usually tested in patients).


30 posted on 03/20/2006 6:41:43 AM PST by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: JustDoItAlways

Very informative - thanks!


31 posted on 03/20/2006 6:41:43 AM PST by Tax-chick (Welcome to my nightmare. It takes some getting used to!)
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To: elc

Correction- it was an American CRO (contract research organization) doing the testing for a German biotechnology company. It is the German company that as the sponsor that has the ultimate responsibility (and liability).


32 posted on 03/20/2006 6:43:36 AM PST by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: Dad yer funny

Their immune system, not endorcine sytem, took a whack.


33 posted on 03/20/2006 6:44:41 AM PST by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Check post 28.


34 posted on 03/20/2006 6:45:43 AM PST by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: righttackle44

I think you totally misread that.

I took it as denigrading to the study, not the patients.
Stating that the study/Drs is treating them like guinea pigs.

Impying that is shorter than:
"There was some progress in the condition of the other very ill humans, which these researchers treated like guinea pigs, yesterday with three of them being taken off life support machines."


35 posted on 03/20/2006 6:47:06 AM PST by PissAndVinegar
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To: razoroccam
No it would not. Too expensive to make, and delivery requires IV administration, which makes it impractical as a BW.

It all depends on how the chemical can be broken down and absorbed by a person. We don't know if the chemical can be absorbed by the skin or lungs, or ingested in the stomach. To many unknown factors.

But we now know what happens if you turn a person's immune system on full blast.

36 posted on 03/20/2006 6:53:47 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup

It's an antibody to CD28, Paul. We know how it can be absorbed - only IV, not oral or inhalation. Lousy BW.


37 posted on 03/20/2006 7:03:26 AM PST by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: razoroccam

That is nice to know.


38 posted on 03/20/2006 7:06:55 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: battlegearboat

HA! That was so damn wrong...


39 posted on 03/20/2006 7:09:59 AM PST by Hoboken (Let's continue to roll)
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To: JustDoItAlways

Thanks for the explanation. I need to brush up on my immunology.


40 posted on 03/20/2006 7:12:39 AM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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