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To: Miss Marple
Bush is not a conservative in the traditional mold. He is looking for conservative outcomes, not conservative process.

Miss Marple, the "outcomes" of the Bush admin has not been conservative but as liberal as ever.

In theory, it would be nice to think that "if a new program or spending more money is how you accomplish an outcome, he will do that as well" . . . it would be nice if that worked but that ain't happening. Perhaps his new welfare program of giving free downpayment for homes to minorities would work, but after all, they were given free HUD housing for years and that did not work either.

The New Orleans spending is a pefect example of Bush kicking taxpayers in the groin. The fraud after 911 was huge, as was the waste. The fraud after the 2004 Florida hurricanes (that I saw first hand) was huge, as was the waste. Bush knew that, yet after Katrina, money is pouring in by the hundreds of billions as freeloaders sit around in posh hotels (paid for by taxpayers) drinking beer and watching TV. After the history of fraud and waste, there was no accountability but just an open checkbook with taxpayer money.

It is the totality of it all that we should focus on, not the 100s of examples we could list. We are furious at Bush because he has been worse than Scumbag in many respects. Now think about this. . . yes, Scumbag, Reno and all the scum were as bad as it gets from most respects. Scumbag was slime where Bush and Laura are good decent people.

HOWEVER, . . .

1] from a fiscal comparison, Scumbag was far better than Bush (less social spending). From growth of government, Scumbag was better than Bush (less govt expansion under Scumbag). These are facts and are not debatable, as the facts are in the OMB and other stats.

2] Re SCOTUS . . . yes, Gore or Kerry would have appointed another Ginsberg and the spineless Respendicans would have helped approved the Marxist nominee 97-3, like they did Ginsberg.

But Bush did not appoint Sam Alito, he appointed Harriet. It was a revolt by true conservative activists like me and others at FR and conservative national commentators that forced Bush's hand. Re Roberts, Bush did not have the balls to appoint Luttig, Brown or other conservatives.

3] Re the war . . . yes, Scumbag failed to respond to attacks on USA interests all through the 90s and in 2000 after the USS Cole attack.

However........

Bush's policy in Iraq is horrible. We are nation building. We are doing a police action. My nephew in the Marines, who was trained as a specialist in long range artillery, is doing door-to-door police action with a rifle in cities, as the Iraqis are unable UNWILLING to do that.

We should have gotten Hussein then left, after a reasonable attempt to get them set up. Spending $400 billion plus for a black hole that will always be unstable and radical is nuts. Bush also promised to go after nations that support terrorists, yet he has given a free pass to Syria and Iran who are waging war against us through IEDs and funnelling terrorists into Iraq. Bush has sent charity aid (taxpayer dollars) to Iran, even though Iran is killing our troops.

What other president in America's history sent aid to enemies at war with us the way Bush has?

A good Commander in Chief would have used air power and financial warfare and diplomatic warfare and SOFs after the initial surge into Iraq, and little to no boots on the ground. We would be spending a fraction of what we have. Hell, let them go into civil war. Terrorists killing each other is not a bad idea. If a new anti-American dictator appears, then we do it again if need to. Bush's nation building is killing America.

Meanwhile, N. Korea's nuke program rolls on as does Iran's. We are less secure under Bush than we were under Scumbag; even though Bush called N. Korea and Iran part of the axis of evil, their threat has grown under his admin. Instead of a full robust ABM system (not a token one) and anti-bioweapon program, money is being spent on charity to Africa and other global and domestic welfare programs. Hell, we have to eliminate the entire F-117 fleet and 50% of the B-52s just so we can buy FOUR Raptors (due to the $1.7 TRILLION we pay for social welfare, that Bush has grown).

No matter how you look at it, Bush has done little right. He has been a real disaster. He has not been a conservative. Fiscally, he has not even been a moderate, but a flaming liberal. Our hatred for the RATs, which we all share, should not cloud our analysis of the damage Bush has done to the nation and the Republican party.

After Reagan, the GOP party was a proud organization. Personal responsibility, limited government, America first, et al. come to mind.

After George Bush, the GOP will never be looked at by Republicans themselves as the party of limited government. The GOP will never be thought of as the party of national security (shrinking military with rising social welfare). The GOP will be looked at as the party of government expansion, open borders (like an open house with free food and shelter for anybody that can walk across the nondefended border) and as a twin sister to the RAT party.

67 posted on 03/17/2006 8:56:01 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
Forgive me, but you have never supported Bush in anything, and I simply do not care to get into a dscussion about this. Your mind is made up.

I would point out that Reagan didn't shrink government, either, nor did he reduce spending.

But, proceed in working for whomever you think is going to represent your ideas the best. President Bush is not running again, so it seems to me that positive articles about whom you support would be a better alternative.

As I said...converts are what you are looking for. In order to get your guy elected you need to convince the Bush-supporters that your guy is the best choice. You aren't doing a very good job.

68 posted on 03/17/2006 9:11:44 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
Oh my gosh you are incredibly articulate and I am so happy to see someone else on these threads who see's the same things I do with the Bush Administration.

There was no bigger proponent of Bush, than I, in both elections. But, I also knew that we had no other choice and for that I am still furious with the GOP and I see they apparently haven't yet learned the lesson.

I so pray that the conservatives of this country will be able to bring forth candidates that are worthy of actually being called Conservative. I am tired of the big socialists on both sides of the isle.

By the way you said: "We are doing a police action."
You are absolutely dead accurate on. If you get a chance to read a transcript of Pat Buchannon on the radio Oreilly factor from 3/16/06, read it. It is well worth it.
81 posted on 03/17/2006 2:53:01 PM PST by Sweetjustusnow ("You're either with us or with the terrorists." Time to live up to that statement Mr. President.)
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