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Dubai Controversy Encouraging House Port Security Bill
GOPUSA.com ^ | March 15 2006 | Jeff Johnson CNSNews.com

Posted on 03/15/2006 9:01:09 AM PST by Reagan Man

(CNSNews.com) -- The controversy over a proposal to allow Dubai Ports World to operate terminals at some major U.S. ports may have hurt President Bush's approval rating, but it could be helping some members of Congress move legislation they believe is needed to better protect U.S. seaports from terrorist threats.

Rep. Dan Lungren (R-Calif.), chairman of the Homeland Security Subcommittee on Economic Security, Infrastructure Protection and Cybersecurity, believes most Americans are now more aware of port security deficiencies than they were even a month ago.

"If there's anything we learned in the last couple of weeks with the Dubai incident, it was the importance of this issue," Lungren said. "There was a lot of give-and-take on that. There was a lot of political fallout from that but, if there was any silver lining, it was the focus that that incident placed on the need for security of our ports."

Rep. Jane Harman, who returned from New York after the birth of her first grandchild Tuesday to announce the proposal with Lungren, agreed.

"As Dan said, this is the silver lining in the Dubai issue," Harman said. "We've known for a long time that port security is the Achilles' heel of our national security and we have been shouting from the rooftops or, maybe, the container tops to do something about it."

Harman's district includes the Port of Los Angeles, which along with the Port of Long Beach is the largest shipping container complex in the U.S. More than 14 million containers are moved through those two facilities each year, totaling approximately 42 percent of the country's shipped goods.

"The idea of a dirty bomb or a group of terrorists smuggled into one of our big ports in a container keeps me up at night," Harman said.

Harman recalled a recent labor dispute at the Port of Long Beach, which cost the country as much as $2 billion per day in lost commerce. She believes the results would be similar, if not worse, from a successful terrorist attack on any major U.S. port.

"We know the economic consequences of this and we know that al Qaeda is looking to do some sort of harm that would cause grave economic consequences," Harman said. "Unfortunately, this vulnerability that we have is a 'logical' al Qaeda opportunity."

Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) warned that the current port security system makes it unlikely that officials would discover a terrorist plot to exploit weaknesses prior to a ship docking in the U.S.

"I think most Americans would be shocked to learn that, this long after 9/11, we still have an honor system for cargo and ships coming into the United States of America. We really don't know what's in those containers" DeFazio said. "Not only do we not know what was actually loaded in the containers, but we [also] aren't safeguarding the containers after that loading point in a way that we can be certain that nothing else was inserted."

The "Security and Accountability for Every (SAFE) Port Act," which was introduced late Tuesday, seeks to address those concerns. The bill proposes a three-tiered program to defend U.S. ports and foreign shipping facilities, from which goods depart en route to the U.S.

Stateside requirements would include monitoring all seaports for incoming containers bearing radioactive material and comparing the names of all port workers with access to secure areas with the all terrorist watch-lists and resolving any potential conflicts within 90 days. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) would also be responsible for developing a plan to resume port operations as quickly as possible after any major disruption.

Overseas, the bill would encourage U.S. officials to work with governments in cooperating countries to help prevent hazardous materials from being secretly introduced into cargo containers. It includes funding to lend detection equipment to those countries that need it and to provide necessary training on its use.

From origin to destination, the proposal would fund efforts to track containers bound for the U.S., to deter the introduction of contraband into previously checked containers after they leave foreign ports. Additional money would be provided to develop new technology to securely seal and track cargo containers.

"We all agree, Democrat, Republican, members of the committee and others in this Congress, that it's essential that our nation take a global approach to the way that we thwart terrorist attacks and protect U.S. ports," Lungren said. "This legislation -- by taking a layered approach to maritime and cargo security -- will help to insure that our country's ports are the last line of defense."

Lungren said the fact that Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, supports the bill, and that similar legislation is also moving through the Senate make passage of some form of the bill likely. Lungren's subcommittee will hold a hearing on the SAFE Ports Act Thursday.


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To: Reagan Man; All

At the moments the facts are P&O has done business in our ports since the 1600's. P&O owns the port terminals leases and does business in these terminals. P&O is a subsidiary of DPW and P&O does its own management. P&O has passed all requirements security and otherwise to operate these terminals. Some businesses, some in congress and some people want these leases seized from P&O. It may be harder than they think. They couldn't stop DPW from buying P&O. They may not be able to just seize or require assets of P&O sold. What if P&Q just moves its headquarters to the US.


21 posted on 03/15/2006 10:39:56 AM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Reagan Man
A lot of threads on just how we increase security. I thought maybe a thought invoking reply would point out that this is an unsafe world. All the measures we might take will not insure any so call perfect security but might point out that this terminal incident is not the total answer. Just a small part.

We do have to face the fact that we live in the most dangerous time in the history of the world. The advent of the nuclear age makes it so. Answers we need, rhetoric we don't. Faith that we can make it safer is a possibility, most people in the world don't want to be hurt or die. It is corruption. It is power hungry governments, it is greed, etc etc etc. This goes back to the question. Port Security? Making new legislation will not do a damn thing. Just political talk. Enforcing what we now have in place might be a better answer at this time. Adding more equipment and personnel just might make it safer. But legislating perfection by a few bloated politicians is stupid.
22 posted on 03/15/2006 11:13:08 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Logical me
The advent of the nuclear age makes it so.


When we were little and the adults caught us worrying about getting bombed by nuclear weapons they always reminded us that those that wished to bomb us had terrority that could be bombed in return and that fact would keep them from attacking and there were no way for terrorist groups to get such weapons. How I long for the old days under MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction.
23 posted on 03/15/2006 11:19:59 AM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: Prokopton

I noticed someone didn't answer anything you addressed. Now, after all this time, you should know they won't be swayed by facts. Shame on you for trying. /sarc :-)


24 posted on 03/15/2006 11:21:28 AM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Reagan Man

Oh, I like Rush. He's pretty good for the most part. It's the Dubai stuff that seems to have gotten under his skin. He's really lashing out when he should be moving onward.


25 posted on 03/15/2006 11:26:13 AM PST by sully777 (wWBBD: What would Brian Boitano do?)
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To: pbrown
I noticed someone didn't answer anything you addressed.


What did they miss? It looks like all his comments were addressed.
26 posted on 03/15/2006 11:32:38 AM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: P-40
If you say can that, you have a big problem.

May I suggest you read post #8, then read post #9. All I saw was venting and someone who didn't get their way on the ports deal.

27 posted on 03/15/2006 11:39:15 AM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Logical me
Most people who pay attention to world events know full well, the world is an unsafe place. Been that way forever. Won't be changing anytime soon either. Therefore, we have to deal with the world the way it is.

In the USA, we live under a constitutional republic form of government, in which we elect people to represent us. Conservatives believe that limited government is best. That doesn't mean we believe in no government, we just prefer keeping our priorities straight. If an elected official isn't doing the job we elected him/her to do, next time around we throw the bums out of office. My point is, opposing liberal Democrats is one thing, but opposing all elected officials, including the right of center ones, accomplishes nothing. That is political dissent evolving into chaos and anarchy.

>>>>We do have to face the fact that we live in the most dangerous time in the history of the world. The advent of the nuclear age makes it so.

Agreed. Since the advent of the nuclear age, the last 60 years has been the most dangerous period in world history. However, I'm not convinced TODAY is the most dangerous single point in time. Granted, this is a highly unpredictable time we live in. But the Cold War era was more dangerous to the future well being of the entire human race. MAD kept everyone on their toes, even though total destruction was just around the corner.

So far, there has been no mass terrorist attacks using WMD anywhere in the world. Not even an isolated incidence. How long it will remain that way is anyones guess. Having better port security is a good move to stopping WMD reaching the American homeland. Listening to our elected offcials engage in free speech and political dissent, is part of America's constitutional way of life.

28 posted on 03/15/2006 11:55:55 AM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: pbrown
If you say can that, you have a big problem.

From reading the other posts, I'd say that his concerns were pretty well covered.
29 posted on 03/15/2006 11:56:18 AM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: Reagan Man

this is exactly the right thing to do, both politically and with regards to security. the white house should get behind a deal of some sort on this.

and also do something about CFIUS, which is a total joke rubber stamp process.


30 posted on 03/15/2006 11:58:43 AM PST by oceanview
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To: Reagan Man

Wow, I always wondered what the limit of National Security was. I knew it wasn't the Constitution. Turns out Free Trade trumps all.


31 posted on 03/15/2006 12:00:29 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: MNJohnnie

I would make the port operators pay increased fees to cover security. hell, the merchandise already comes in tariff free - there is no reason they cannot pay security fees.

security comes before commerce, you seem to want it the other way around, you and the other 19% of americans that supported the ports deal.


32 posted on 03/15/2006 12:01:42 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Yep. NO problem with a police state as long as the self chosen Elite gets to run it. Not a DIMES worth of difference between the Hysteric Leftist and the Hate Everyone psuedo Conservatives.


33 posted on 03/15/2006 12:03:43 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Are you not entertained? Are you NOT entertained? Is this not what you came here for?)
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To: P-40
From reading the other posts,

Yeah, AFTER he was reproached for not answering him he finally did. Good Lord. 'Other post', he should have answered on post #9 not blow smoke out his.......

34 posted on 03/15/2006 12:04:40 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: pbrown
Yeah, AFTER he was reproached for not answering him he finally did.

He could have just stepped out for a bit.

And for the person that asked...it is Inchcape Shipping Services that is already operating here. SEE: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4792788.stm
35 posted on 03/15/2006 12:09:17 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: MNJohnnie

so all forms of security represent the "police state"?

I guess we have to toss out the border patrol, coast guard, airport security at check-in.


36 posted on 03/15/2006 12:11:12 PM PST by oceanview
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To: MNJohnnie

" Not a DIMES worth of difference between the Hysteric Leftist and the Hate Everyone psuedo Conservatives."



I agree, and it appears that some people...ahem... can be both at the same time.


37 posted on 03/15/2006 12:17:34 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: P-40
He could have stepped out?

Posted at 11:36:30 <

Replied to post # 8 at...11:37:11

Enough. If you want to argue find someone else. Bye.

38 posted on 03/15/2006 12:20:07 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Prokopton; oceanview

Well I guess we can just add the Afraid of their Own Shadow cacus to the groups of Big Govt Neo-Socialists that claim to be "Conservative" but are actually just Big Govt Socialist in denial


39 posted on 03/15/2006 12:21:05 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Are you not entertained? Are you NOT entertained? Is this not what you came here for?)
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To: MNJohnnie

so what are you suggesting, that all of the port operators "self regulate" themselves regarding security at the ports? are you kidding me? what are you going to propose next, that Mexico secure the US southern border? maybe the Saudis can buy an operations contract to assume airport baggage and passenger screening duties.


40 posted on 03/15/2006 12:23:43 PM PST by oceanview
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